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They banned everyone, not just a few users. Imagine if HN’s host killed all of HN because someone used the “r word” and it wasn’t removed.

jakelazaroff 6y ago
Yes, that's freedom of speech. You can criticize the decision, but it's their decision to make.
- oxford_comma 6y ago
  In this very thread you can find discussion on what makes a public forum a public forum.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  > Yes, that's freedom of speech. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Censorship is Freedom of Speech.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    "I demand that you refrain from exercising your full range of free speech so that I feel more comfortable exercising mine."
    - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
      "Si vis pacem, para bellum." "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM." "What you don't know can't hurt you." You're only making the case that it does fit.
      - jakelazaroff 6y ago
        I don't really know what you're getting at here.
        AnthonyMouse 6y ago
        https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/quotes/ https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/quotes/ They go on the list because the conclusions are transparently absurd, despite the ability to rationalize your way there through doublethink.
        atoav 6y ago
        But you are both right. Ever had a good free debate about anything when the other side of the debate held their ears and screamed their opinion full blast? The best and most free debates I ever had happened in environments where I knew that I was allowed to be wrong without them holding it against me. As a European I always thought free speech was very much an American thing. In the past years I realised that debates are lead much more freely here than in the US, because your debates constantly go onto a red vs blue track. That means speakers have to reflect that constantly and signal to everybody else where they stand and which team they like. The truth is, both environment factors into free speech and every society has to strike a balance.
        jakelazaroff 6y ago
        > The truth is, both environment factors into free speech and every society has to strike a balance. This, I agree with. But the point I'm trying to make is that this cuts both ways. Alice has every right to make her point however she wants. Bob also has every right to not lend her his resources to amplify that. Charlie has a right to criticize Bob for denying resources, etc etc. I note that the shoe never seems to be on the other foot — e.g., the crowd that gets angry about Discord banning hate speech is curiously quiet about the chilling effect white nationalist rallies have on people of color.
        prox 6y ago
        I agree with what you say. If you look atthe parent comments, they both go to extremes to make a point. A big problem when it comes to discussion, is coming in with an attitude that your view is “right” and soapboxing it to the world. In any discussion their should be room for shades of grey and the respect to listen to different and (in your eyes) descending views. How you communicate is just as important as what you wish to communicate.
- hoseja 6y ago
  xkcd 1357 was a disaster for the online discourse.
prox 6y ago
Their place, their rules. I see the continuing belief you can do anything on somebody’s else turf. Wallstreet bets could pretty much move to 4chan if they value their 4chan behavior this greatly.

jakelazaroff 6y ago

Yes, that's freedom of speech. You can criticize the decision, but it's their decision to make.

oxford_comma 6y ago
In this very thread you can find discussion on what makes a public forum a public forum.
AnthonyMouse 6y ago
> Yes, that's freedom of speech. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Censorship is Freedom of Speech.
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  "I demand that you refrain from exercising your full range of free speech so that I feel more comfortable exercising mine."
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    "Si vis pacem, para bellum." "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM." "What you don't know can't hurt you." You're only making the case that it does fit.
    - jakelazaroff 6y ago
      I don't really know what you're getting at here.
      - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
        https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/quotes/ https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/quotes/ They go on the list because the conclusions are transparently absurd, despite the ability to rationalize your way there through doublethink.
        atoav 6y ago
        But you are both right. Ever had a good free debate about anything when the other side of the debate held their ears and screamed their opinion full blast? The best and most free debates I ever had happened in environments where I knew that I was allowed to be wrong without them holding it against me. As a European I always thought free speech was very much an American thing. In the past years I realised that debates are lead much more freely here than in the US, because your debates constantly go onto a red vs blue track. That means speakers have to reflect that constantly and signal to everybody else where they stand and which team they like. The truth is, both environment factors into free speech and every society has to strike a balance.
        jakelazaroff 6y ago
        > The truth is, both environment factors into free speech and every society has to strike a balance. This, I agree with. But the point I'm trying to make is that this cuts both ways. Alice has every right to make her point however she wants. Bob also has every right to not lend her his resources to amplify that. Charlie has a right to criticize Bob for denying resources, etc etc. I note that the shoe never seems to be on the other foot — e.g., the crowd that gets angry about Discord banning hate speech is curiously quiet about the chilling effect white nationalist rallies have on people of color.
        prox 6y ago
        I agree with what you say. If you look atthe parent comments, they both go to extremes to make a point. A big problem when it comes to discussion, is coming in with an attitude that your view is “right” and soapboxing it to the world. In any discussion their should be room for shades of grey and the respect to listen to different and (in your eyes) descending views. How you communicate is just as important as what you wish to communicate.
hoseja 6y ago
xkcd 1357 was a disaster for the online discourse.

prox 6y ago

Their place, their rules. I see the continuing belief you can do anything on somebody’s else turf. Wallstreet bets could pretty much move to 4chan if they value their 4chan behavior this greatly.