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Washington state target billionaires with wealth tax

8 points by joubert 6y ago

2Gkashmiri 6y ago
“We have a tax code that asks low-income people to pay six times more than the wealthiest, in terms of how much tax they’re paying as a share of their income,” she said. This is nice. Instead of low earners paying no taxes, higher earners paying more and highest earners paying highest, its the reverse. Bravo
- esyir 6y ago
  Sounds like bullshit to me. I don't quite believe that there's actually a tax system out there in any major country with inverse progressive taxation.
  - londons_explore 6y ago
    On paper, no. But in reality most systems are like that because the more you earn the more worthwhile it becomes to exploit cross border loopholes and complicated tax schemes that end up in you paying nothing.
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  - closeparen 6y ago
    Bill Gates is making most of his money on appreciation of his MSFT shares, and has no use for liquidity on any significant portion of them. A person can only spend so much; consumption inequality is much less dramatic than wealth or income inequality. So the vast majority of "income" at this level is unrealized capital gain, not taxable at all. When someone like this does need liquidity, the top marginal tax rate on capital gain is 20%, not 37% like it is for wage income. But cheaper still is interest. He can pledge the shares as collateral and take out a loan at something like 2%/year (probably less). Progressive taxation is only for wage workers. A FAANG senior engineer is "the 1%" within the progressive tax system, and getting hit as hard as it is possible to get hit. But his founder-CEO lives outside the progressive tax scheme (c.f. Steve Jobs and his $1 salary), barely has a foot in any tax scheme (most gains unrealized), and is paying almost nothing in percentage terms.
csense 6y ago
Something tells me Gates, Bezos and other named billionaires won't be Washington residents for very long.
- reilly3000 6y ago
  Washington has been extremely good for these men. Leaving to avoid a 1% wealth tax would be a pretty bad look, and honestly there are few places where they'd have a better time of it anyhow. They are looking to raise $2B/yr for the state with the tax, which is a minuscule amount given the kinds of growth these two individuals experienced in their wealth in 2020.

8 points by joubert 6y ago

“We have a tax code that asks low-income people to pay six times more than the wealthiest, in terms of how much tax they’re paying as a share of their income,” she said. This is nice. Instead of low earners paying no taxes, higher earners paying more and highest earners paying highest, its the reverse. Bravo

esyir 6y ago
Sounds like bullshit to me. I don't quite believe that there's actually a tax system out there in any major country with inverse progressive taxation.
- londons_explore 6y ago
  On paper, no. But in reality most systems are like that because the more you earn the more worthwhile it becomes to exploit cross border loopholes and complicated tax schemes that end up in you paying nothing.
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- closeparen 6y ago
  Bill Gates is making most of his money on appreciation of his MSFT shares, and has no use for liquidity on any significant portion of them. A person can only spend so much; consumption inequality is much less dramatic than wealth or income inequality. So the vast majority of "income" at this level is unrealized capital gain, not taxable at all. When someone like this does need liquidity, the top marginal tax rate on capital gain is 20%, not 37% like it is for wage income. But cheaper still is interest. He can pledge the shares as collateral and take out a loan at something like 2%/year (probably less). Progressive taxation is only for wage workers. A FAANG senior engineer is "the 1%" within the progressive tax system, and getting hit as hard as it is possible to get hit. But his founder-CEO lives outside the progressive tax scheme (c.f. Steve Jobs and his $1 salary), barely has a foot in any tax scheme (most gains unrealized), and is paying almost nothing in percentage terms.

csense 6y ago

Something tells me Gates, Bezos and other named billionaires won't be Washington residents for very long.

reilly3000 6y ago
Washington has been extremely good for these men. Leaving to avoid a 1% wealth tax would be a pretty bad look, and honestly there are few places where they'd have a better time of it anyhow. They are looking to raise $2B/yr for the state with the tax, which is a minuscule amount given the kinds of growth these two individuals experienced in their wealth in 2020.