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> A new MRI costs ~3 million, You seem to be off by a factor of 5 or 10. https://info.blockimaging.com/bid/92623/MRI-Machine-Cost-and-Price-Guide https://info

by phonon 6y ago

> A new MRI costs ~3 million, You seem to be off by a factor of 5 or 10. https://info.blockimaging.com/bid/92623/MRI-Machine-Cost-and-Price-Guide https://info.blockimaging.com/bid/92623/MRI-Machine-Cost-and...

s1artibartfast 6y ago
I was quoting the number for a modern 3 tesla MRI machines, which would fall into the 500k+ range on your link. These are high end but not necessarily rare. For example, UCSF has 4 of these machines. These can easily be on the order of 3 million+ with installation https://www.pasadenanow.com/main/lab-in-emerging-biomedical-corridor-installs-3-million-high-tech-magnet/ https://www.pasadenanow.com/main/lab-in-emerging-biomedical-... Here is a link for a 7 million suite to house one of the machines https://www.dignityhealth.org/sacramento/about-us/press-center/newbiplaneangiographysuiteandwidebore3teslamri https://www.dignityhealth.org/sacramento/about-us/press-cent... While costs for these machines are going down, even more expensive 7 and 10 Tesla machines are starting to be installed, going up to $14 million https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07182-7 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07182-7
- phonon 6y ago
  3 T machines are not necessarily better, it depends on what they're trying to look at, getter a sharper image of noise is not useful. Anyway, your estimate seems to be way off, basing it on a 6 year old puff piece for a cutting edge model that was deployed in a lab. The cost for a typical new MRI is more like $500k.
  - s1artibartfast 6y ago
    Do have any personal info here, because the first ten articles I read were up there and your article doesn’t negate it
    - phonon 6y ago
      Doesn't negate what? If you ask "How much does a car cost?" The answer is not "Here are some articles about people buying Lamborghinis that cost $250,000". Most people are using a middle of the road 1.5 T machine. https://lbnmedical.com/how-much-does-an-mri-machine-cost/ https://lbnmedical.com/how-much-does-an-mri-machine-cost/
      - s1artibartfast 6y ago
        I never said I was talking about averages ct machines any more than a brand new 787-9 is the average plane. You can get a 20 year 737 for a lot less than 200mil, and is probably closer to the average. If your point is that MRIs less than 3T exist, I agree. If your point is that cheaper MRI exist, I agree. If your point is that nobody has spent 3 mil on a CT, then I disagree. A link showing the price of used machines 10-15 years old isn’t going to change that.

by phonon 6y ago

s1artibartfast 6y ago

I was quoting the number for a modern 3 tesla MRI machines, which would fall into the 500k+ range on your link. These are high end but not necessarily rare. For example, UCSF has 4 of these machines. These can easily be on the order of 3 million+ with installation https://www.pasadenanow.com/main/lab-in-emerging-biomedical-corridor-installs-3-million-high-tech-magnet/ https://www.pasadenanow.com/main/lab-in-emerging-biomedical-... Here is a link for a 7 million suite to house one of the machines https://www.dignityhealth.org/sacramento/about-us/press-center/newbiplaneangiographysuiteandwidebore3teslamri https://www.dignityhealth.org/sacramento/about-us/press-cent... While costs for these machines are going down, even more expensive 7 and 10 Tesla machines are starting to be installed, going up to $14 million https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07182-7 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07182-7

phonon 6y ago
3 T machines are not necessarily better, it depends on what they're trying to look at, getter a sharper image of noise is not useful. Anyway, your estimate seems to be way off, basing it on a 6 year old puff piece for a cutting edge model that was deployed in a lab. The cost for a typical new MRI is more like $500k.
- s1artibartfast 6y ago
  Do have any personal info here, because the first ten articles I read were up there and your article doesn’t negate it
  - phonon 6y ago
    Doesn't negate what? If you ask "How much does a car cost?" The answer is not "Here are some articles about people buying Lamborghinis that cost $250,000". Most people are using a middle of the road 1.5 T machine. https://lbnmedical.com/how-much-does-an-mri-machine-cost/ https://lbnmedical.com/how-much-does-an-mri-machine-cost/
    - s1artibartfast 6y ago
      I never said I was talking about averages ct machines any more than a brand new 787-9 is the average plane. You can get a 20 year 737 for a lot less than 200mil, and is probably closer to the average. If your point is that MRIs less than 3T exist, I agree. If your point is that cheaper MRI exist, I agree. If your point is that nobody has spent 3 mil on a CT, then I disagree. A link showing the price of used machines 10-15 years old isn’t going to change that.