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> I would have been happy to buy a Zen 4 laptop but I couldn't find any at the price point I needed. And you'd need to budget for a time machine, first! AMD h

> I would have been happy to buy a Zen 4 laptop but I couldn't find any at the price point I needed. And you'd need to budget for a time machine, first! AMD has done a poor job with naming for their new processors and architecture. The architecture is called 'Zen'. The consumer SKUs have a model name of 'Ryzen'. I'll ignore the server parts for now (model name 'Epyc'). The Zen architecture progressed as follows: Zen-->Zen+-->Zen2-->Zen3 The Ryzen model numbers for desktop progressed as follows: Ryzen 1000-->Ryzen 2000-->Ryzen 3000-->Ryzen 5000. The Ryzen model numbers for laptop SKUs progressed mostly as follows: Ryzen Mobile 2000-->Ryzen Mobile 3000-->Ryzen Mobile 4000-->Ryzen Mobile 5000. Some of the newest Ryzen Mobile 5000-series are actually Zen2, aka rebadged Ryzen Mobile 4000-series. So, Zen4 is still upcoming and not available to anyone except AMD's engineers who are currently developing it.

totalZero 6y ago
Haha, yes you are correct. My time machine is on the fritz. That said, it is true that I would have been happy to buy a Zen 4 laptop. It is also true that they were not available. The laptop I ended up buying comes in a Ryzen 5 4500U flavor as well as a Tiger Lake i5-1135G7 flavor. I would have preferred the AMD-powered device but it was not available from my preferred retailer and sold out from the manufacturer, so I ended up going with the Intel version. Thanks for the explanation. I didn't realize that the leading number didn't denote generation.
- greggyb 6y ago
  Hardware naming is awful, in general, in my experience (: The interesting part of all of this is something that you've experienced directly, here. People crap all over Intel for being stuck on 14nm, and there are definitely good reasons to do so. But the upshot is that they are sitting on a ridiculously mature, optimized manufacturing node that has ample capacity. They can pump out enough silicon to meet demand, or at least get much closer to it than anyone else right now.

totalZero 6y ago

Haha, yes you are correct. My time machine is on the fritz. That said, it is true that I would have been happy to buy a Zen 4 laptop. It is also true that they were not available. The laptop I ended up buying comes in a Ryzen 5 4500U flavor as well as a Tiger Lake i5-1135G7 flavor. I would have preferred the AMD-powered device but it was not available from my preferred retailer and sold out from the manufacturer, so I ended up going with the Intel version. Thanks for the explanation. I didn't realize that the leading number didn't denote generation.

greggyb 6y ago
Hardware naming is awful, in general, in my experience (: The interesting part of all of this is something that you've experienced directly, here. People crap all over Intel for being stuck on 14nm, and there are definitely good reasons to do so. But the upshot is that they are sitting on a ridiculously mature, optimized manufacturing node that has ample capacity. They can pump out enough silicon to meet demand, or at least get much closer to it than anyone else right now.