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> Embedded javascript to make them responsive. We must have different definitions of 'responsive'. You don't need javascript to make a website look different d

> Embedded javascript to make them responsive. We must have different definitions of 'responsive'. You don't need javascript to make a website look different due to different screen sizes.

fouric 6y ago
What if you do, though? Flexbox is a CSS 3 feature. Support appears to have been implemented in FF and Chrome around 2012-2014 and still doesn't fully work in IE[1]. The fact that a site uses CSS and HTML instead of Javascript does not imply that it's easier for older browsers to display. Javascript 1.0 was released in 1996. [1] https://caniuse.com/flexbox https://caniuse.com/flexbox
- leephillips 6y ago
  You don’t need CSS to make a website look different due to different screen sizes. In other words, plain HTML is responsive by default. You can improve things with CSS. But if your site is unusable on small screens, you’ve broken something with your “design”.
- giantrobot 6y ago
  Flexbox is by no means necessary to make a responsive web page. Media queries have been supported by mobile browsers for over a decade as has the viewport meta tag. Between the two it should be straightforward to make most page designs responsive. Old browsers (old IE especially) that don't handle those features aren't a problem because they'll just fall through to the screen style. Trying to use JavaScript to help old browsers is a worse solution as you're more likely to run into JavaScript incompatibility problems than CSS.
- lmm 6y ago
  Fortunately there's a practical way to do properly responsive layouts that will work in any browser even from before 1996: HTML tables.
dvdkon 6y ago
They might have meant actual responsiveness, as in the absence of lag. On low-end embedded devices, rendering a template with something like PHP could easily take high units or even tens of seconds, whereas JS on a much more capable client device can respond to the user's input immediately.
- JoeAltmaier 6y ago
  Right. Populating pulldowns, updating dynamic lists (available APs after a scan) etc.

> Embedded javascript to make them responsive. We must have different definitions of 'responsive'. You don't need javascript to make a website look different due to different screen sizes.

fouric 6y ago

What if you do, though? Flexbox is a CSS 3 feature. Support appears to have been implemented in FF and Chrome around 2012-2014 and still doesn't fully work in IE[1]. The fact that a site uses CSS and HTML instead of Javascript does not imply that it's easier for older browsers to display. Javascript 1.0 was released in 1996. [1] https://caniuse.com/flexbox https://caniuse.com/flexbox

leephillips 6y ago
You don’t need CSS to make a website look different due to different screen sizes. In other words, plain HTML is responsive by default. You can improve things with CSS. But if your site is unusable on small screens, you’ve broken something with your “design”.
giantrobot 6y ago
Flexbox is by no means necessary to make a responsive web page. Media queries have been supported by mobile browsers for over a decade as has the viewport meta tag. Between the two it should be straightforward to make most page designs responsive. Old browsers (old IE especially) that don't handle those features aren't a problem because they'll just fall through to the screen style. Trying to use JavaScript to help old browsers is a worse solution as you're more likely to run into JavaScript incompatibility problems than CSS.
lmm 6y ago
Fortunately there's a practical way to do properly responsive layouts that will work in any browser even from before 1996: HTML tables.

dvdkon 6y ago

They might have meant actual responsiveness, as in the absence of lag. On low-end embedded devices, rendering a template with something like PHP could easily take high units or even tens of seconds, whereas JS on a much more capable client device can respond to the user's input immediately.

JoeAltmaier 6y ago
Right. Populating pulldowns, updating dynamic lists (available APs after a scan) etc.