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To be fair there is about a 10k price difference between a model 3 and Leaf. Not saying your points are untrue but for completeness you would expect less for a
by DoingIsLearning 6y ago
To be fair there is about a 10k price difference between a model 3 and Leaf.
Not saying your points are untrue but for completeness you would expect less for a cheaper car. We can certainly point to the technology gap between the two being too wide but at the end of the day they are not at the same price point.
- notJim 6y agoEven greater for used Leafs.
- TaylorAlexander 6y agoYep you can even buy a 2013 leaf retrofitted with a 2019 battery and 150+ miles of range for $12k from a shop in Oregon.
- nullc 6y agoGot a name for the shop?
- TaylorAlexander 6y agoHere ya go. Hell you can get 250 mile range. https://evridesllc.com/cars/ https://evridesllc.com/cars/
- checkyoursudo 6y agoRetrofitting a battery ... I should see how much it would cost to do that for my wife's 2013 Leaf ...
- moistbar 6y agoIt's only about a 6k difference if you compare base models.
- eagsalazar2 6y agoI'd agree people should expect less if we were talking about battery life, leather seats, etc. But we're talking about awful user experience, support, and software - this is a failure of execution, plain and simple, by everyone except Tesla. Being good at software is something that is (or isn't) deep in the DNA of every company and is very very hard to change. I think long-term this is why Tesla's domination of the market is just beginning and isn't dependent on longer battery life or charging network. No car company except Tesla has demonstrated even basic competence in good UX or software development, so they are all doomed to lose. (I'd personally give Tesla a B- but they are competing against an industry of straight Fs across the board)
- m463 6y agoLeafs have a terrible resale value, at one point the highest depreciation of almost any car. I actually think Tesla propped up its resale values in the beginning with the guaranteed buyback price thing. They managed to maintain this until people started getting used to "tesla is expensive". (although teslas are more useful because of the large battery and charging infrastructure)
- 0x10c0fe11ce 6y agoIt’s not just the Leaf, all electric cars have a terrible resale value problem. People think that preowned EVs suck because these cars have depleted batteries, and they’ve heard car batteries are just like their other devices batteries. More than any other car, EVs should never be outright bought.
- m463 6y ago> More than any other car, EVs should never be outright bought. I am uncertain about this. They've tried this with phones, and it ends up that the cost gets bundled into a more expensive service. Also changes might be forced to get people upgrade more often and make the devices throw-away. I think with ownership, there might be pressure on the manufacturers to focus on longevity.
- mavhc 6y agoOn the plus side it means buying a used EV is great value. I got a 3 year old leaf for £6.5k, and 3 years later 6 year old leafs sell for £6.5k. Even if not using it as a car I'd still have £5k of batteries
- imgabe 6y agoAbility to get fuel for the car should not be dependent on price. If EVs are going to go mainstream it can't be. I can buy the cheapest, junkiest gasoline powered car and still have ready access to fuel anywhere I need to go. That's what EVs have to compete with.