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News reel: - Big company/person X is does beneficial thing Y HN: - It's just a PR stunt! - It's a ploy to leverage something else and make more profit! - I

News reel: - Big company/person X is does beneficial thing Y HN: - It's just a PR stunt! - It's a ploy to leverage something else and make more profit! - It's so tiny that it doesn't even make a difference! If they REALLY cared they'd do A, B, C... - They're actually doing Y to accumulate Z for some nefarious purpose! - I once did some interaction with X or their products and it went poorly! - X has skeletons I, J, and K in their closet! Watch out! - Man, what's with all the X haters on HN today? - Hoo boy, here come the X fanboys!

crisdux 6y ago
I don't understand this critique. Corporate PR is largely propaganda. Our corporatist media isn't willing or able pursue actual journalism to find out the truth, so now we have lot's of people searching for answers on a forum that allows for free speech. If you don't like it, you should probably just stick to cable news.
- abvdasker 6y ago
  I think you're largely correct, but sometimes corporations can end up doing the "right thing" in the pursuit of good press or to serve brand marketing. I would say that IKEA doing environmental conservation is a good thing in this case, despite the company's motives for doing so being transparently self-serving. To me IKEA's reason for doing this is less important than the positive impact it will have.
  - crisdux 6y ago
    Yea I understand what you are saying. I think it's hard in our current environment to understand trade offs because there isn't a lot of truth or trust in journalism or corporate propaganda. It's impossible to make a value determination of this action because we don't have the truth. I don't think people should just assume it's a positive impact without all of the facts. It could very well be a negative. You seem to be only focused on one dimension of this, forest conservation.

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News reel: - Big company/person X is does beneficial thing Y HN: - It's just a PR stunt! - It's a ploy to leverage something else and make more profit! - I

by kstenerud 6y ago

crisdux 6y ago
I don't understand this critique. Corporate PR is largely propaganda. Our corporatist media isn't willing or able pursue actual journalism to find out the truth, so now we have lot's of people searching for answers on a forum that allows for free speech. If you don't like it, you should probably just stick to cable news.
- abvdasker 6y ago
  I think you're largely correct, but sometimes corporations can end up doing the "right thing" in the pursuit of good press or to serve brand marketing. I would say that IKEA doing environmental conservation is a good thing in this case, despite the company's motives for doing so being transparently self-serving. To me IKEA's reason for doing this is less important than the positive impact it will have.
  - crisdux 6y ago
    Yea I understand what you are saying. I think it's hard in our current environment to understand trade offs because there isn't a lot of truth or trust in journalism or corporate propaganda. It's impossible to make a value determination of this action because we don't have the truth. I don't think people should just assume it's a positive impact without all of the facts. It could very well be a negative. You seem to be only focused on one dimension of this, forest conservation.