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When will this meme die....we have socialism for everyone Stimulus checks, extended UI, rent and mortgage forbearance etc etc etc. And it won't stop because it

by anewaccount2021 6y ago

When will this meme die....we have socialism for everyone Stimulus checks, extended UI, rent and mortgage forbearance etc etc etc. And it won't stop because it can't.

input_sh 6y ago
Are workers owning the product of their labour and managing the company democratically? If not, it's not socialism, it's welfare. It's really, really not complicated and the way the term has been stripped out of its meaning (primarily in the US) is just awful.
- DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
  > (primarily in the US) afaik _only_ in the US? or are there any countries where the socialist bogey man is used this way by countries without a working social safety net? - Paying 20% of your paycheck to insurance = good capitalist affordable. - Paying 4% of your paycheck to Medicare = bad communist too expensive Americans are the most propagandized people in the world. -- @LeftistCEO the US agitprop machine doesn't even distinguish between communist and socialist - both terms are used interchangeably. Bernie Sanders and how he is viewed is a great example here: his policies would have been considered moderate in socialist Europe of the 60ies/70ies (and especially in the often cited "well working" model of socialist Sweden, Denmark Norway).
orangecat1 6y ago
The meme will probably die when it's no longer true, and when we actually fix the massive economic inequality that exists in our society. The things you listed are not really socialism (rent and mortgage forbearance is not socialism; socialism would be getting rid of the whole landlord/renting system entirely, replacing it by some form of public ownership). And these things are only occurring during a global pandemic, and are not par for the course in our society.
FranzFerdiNaN 6y ago
This isnt socialism. Its amazing how especially Americans seem to think that socialism is the government doing stuff, and the more the government does the more socialism it is.
mhh__ 6y ago
No healthcare though? Besides there's no socialism in most or all of Europe either. Seeing Bernie-people saying "socialism works just look at Europe" and then pointing at Switzerland for example, is not only worrying but also quite funny.

When will this meme die....we have socialism for everyone Stimulus checks, extended UI, rent and mortgage forbearance etc etc etc. And it won't stop because it can't.

input_sh 6y ago

Are workers owning the product of their labour and managing the company democratically? If not, it's not socialism, it's welfare. It's really, really not complicated and the way the term has been stripped out of its meaning (primarily in the US) is just awful.

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
> (primarily in the US) afaik _only_ in the US? or are there any countries where the socialist bogey man is used this way by countries without a working social safety net? - Paying 20% of your paycheck to insurance = good capitalist affordable. - Paying 4% of your paycheck to Medicare = bad communist too expensive Americans are the most propagandized people in the world. -- @LeftistCEO the US agitprop machine doesn't even distinguish between communist and socialist - both terms are used interchangeably. Bernie Sanders and how he is viewed is a great example here: his policies would have been considered moderate in socialist Europe of the 60ies/70ies (and especially in the often cited "well working" model of socialist Sweden, Denmark Norway).

orangecat1 6y ago

The meme will probably die when it's no longer true, and when we actually fix the massive economic inequality that exists in our society. The things you listed are not really socialism (rent and mortgage forbearance is not socialism; socialism would be getting rid of the whole landlord/renting system entirely, replacing it by some form of public ownership). And these things are only occurring during a global pandemic, and are not par for the course in our society.

FranzFerdiNaN 6y ago

This isnt socialism. Its amazing how especially Americans seem to think that socialism is the government doing stuff, and the more the government does the more socialism it is.

mhh__ 6y ago

No healthcare though? Besides there's no socialism in most or all of Europe either. Seeing Bernie-people saying "socialism works just look at Europe" and then pointing at Switzerland for example, is not only worrying but also quite funny.