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Do you have any evidence the "left wing" is in any more of an echo chamber than the right wing? Is this just personal observation or do you have something more
by enkid 6y ago
Do you have any evidence the "left wing" is in any more of an echo chamber than the right wing? Is this just personal observation or do you have something more to point to?
- mellosouls 6y agoYou can just read the many, many articles on cancel-culture and de-platforming that have emerged in the last few years which is all a part of the same thing and overwhelmingly a problem from the left. Presumably the right-wing are just as capable (and historically have been the aggressor often), but the left have mastered it as a form recently.
- enkid 6y agoSo, this is a different argument from the one you were making before. You first post is about ingestion of media. This one is about production. This is a very different claim, but still requires evidence beyond stating that there is some. Can you help me out and provide some?
- forgingahead 6y agoI'm not sure if you're asking in good-faith, your comment history shows a history of "Sea-lioning" (a term I just learned myself today): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning From the original web-comic: http://wondermark.com/1k62/ http://wondermark.com/1k62/
- tptacek 6y agoThe moderators of this site specifically ask you not to employ this tactic of trying to summarize people's comment history as a rhetorical weapon. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25130908 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25130908
- NeutronStar 6y agoThat's usually what happens when someone considers reputation above some fact.
- enkid 6y agoThis is really messed up. I have doubts about what other people say, but I try to reserve judgement about those things. When them make claims that I haven't seen any evidence for, I ask for their evidence so I can understand where they are coming from, but make my own assessment about the truth. I am not badgering anyone, but I refuse to let people make claims without evidence, if it is 1.) it's a statement of fact, not opinion, and 2.) there is no consensus about it's truth from what I have seen or it goes against that consensus. If you don't like that, don't read my comments.
- mellosouls 6y agoI refuse to let people make claims without evidence Victims of attempts to suppress their voices via cancel culture, deplatforming or other marginalisation: JK Rowling (trans opinions wrong) Jordan Peterson (calls out leftist overreach so obviously far right) Douglas Murray (far right for similar reasons apparently) Jodie Comer (conservative boyfriend) James Damore (career destroyed for taking free speech seriously) Andy Ngo (violently attacked for reporting on leftist violence) Various academics (jobs lost for supporting conservative causes or thought of being conservative) This is just off the top of my head, and if you have missed these and the many other disturbing cases I have to ask: Where on earth have you been?
- kls 6y agoFunny I have a new red flag word, it used to be on the internet when you saw the first reference to someone being a Nazi you knew to start taking a critical look at what the accuser was saying but we have invented so many of them now to try to create one word labels to dismiss other peoples positions, stuff like gaslighting, dog whistling now I have to look for sea lioning. What these all have in common is they try to project negative light on the person they are used against and make the reader view their information negatively. It's absurd to me, that asking for some reference and citation to the subject at hand, now has a label word to dismiss it, out of hand. It's been a while since I have been in higher education, but IIRC citation and references where pretty much the basis of research and publication of ideas.
- tptacek 6y ago
- mellosouls 6y agoI don't know which post about media ingestion you are referring to, you possibly have me confused with another poster or you'll need to link to it for clarification. As for providing some evidence of cancel culture and deplatforming, somebody would have to have been living on Mars (or have blinkers) to have missed the odious practices (as evidenced in the OP!) that the terms were invented for, and I'm not sure me spending my time googling and linking examples is going to help in that case.
- srtjstjsj 6y agoI think the number of right wing political violence attacks is larger than the number of left wing political violence attacks and political cancelling a combined.
- mellosouls 6y agoPossibly you missed then the hundreds (thousands?) of antifa/etc riots and violent attacks in the US this year alone?
- rayiner 6y agoIt’s not any more of an echo chamber, but in my experience it’s easier these days to hold heterodox opinions on the right. (Partly because over the last couple of decades the right has become more heterodox while the left has become more ideologically uniform.)
- srtjstjsj 6y agoI guess, but we just had a huge violent assault on the center of US government from the right, attempting to main and threaten to kill members of their own right-wing power circle for not helping too illegally overturn an election.
- sanity31415 6y agoYou're trying to paint half the population based on the reprehensible behavior of a few thousand. Are all Democrats culpable for the Antifa/BLM riots?
- tptacek 6y agoThat's a thing you can only say if you've never watched a DSA person talk to a non-DSA person.