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What adafruit board would be best for a beginner (at circuit python but long time developer otherwise) dad and his 8 year old kid?

by xrd 6y ago

riq_ 6y ago
from a programming point of view, all are the same. But if you want to introduce your kid to play with sensors and other stuff, I'd get Playground Blefruit[1] [1]: https://www.adafruit.com/product/4333 https://www.adafruit.com/product/4333
- ducktective 6y ago
  Seconded. Pick something with wireless connectivity and lots of on-board sensors/LEDs.
- M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
  any add-ons that you’d recommend? or other stuff for kids playing with Python? maybe an arduino board plus a raspberry pi?
  - ducktective 6y ago
    Depends on the level of abstraction you and your kid are willing to get into. Arduino's are lower-level C/C++ which may be a little more complex than CP, but have much broader library support (better intro to EE/embedded). RPis are much higher level which could be programmed in any language (better intro to CS/Linux).
    - M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
      for kids, so ideally not as low as C++
raykamp 6y ago
Adafruit’s line of “featherboards” are pretty neat and user friendly. For circuit python, you plug the board in over usb. It’s detected as a mass storage device like a usb drive. You drag and drop a python file over to it that you want to run. https://www.adafruit.com/product/4516 https://www.adafruit.com/product/4516
agravier 6y ago
It's not Adafruit (although they make lots of kits for it) but I'd advise the micro:bit v2 (https://microbit.org/new-microbit/ https://microbit.org/new-microbit/)
gorgoiler 6y ago
Circuit Playground is the hardware product that goes hand in hand with CircuitPython, but you’ll probably want to program it using makecode instead. Version 2 called “Circuit Playground Express” is currently very popular. V1 is obsolete, and there’s a version 3 with Bluetooth. All of them are pre-built with sensors, RGB LEDs, and buttons. This removes a huge hurdle: no soldering required. (Soldering is a fun skill but so is baking bread and cross country hiking — most kids are usually 100% focused on making blinking lights and don’t want to do anything tangential.) Right now, only version 2 is supported by http://makecode.adafruit.com http://makecode.adafruit.com. makecode is different to CircuitPython: you write your code in JavaScript either using a visual block language or directly in the online JS IDE — both of which are very high quality dev environments with excellent discoverability — and compile everything into a new .UF2 firmware for the device to load each time. The site provides an emulator which is another killer feature. You can go there right now and start programming a board. CircuitPython on the other hand is itself a pre baked UF2 firmware with a Python interpreter built in. Because your dev tools (runtime, debugger) are now on the device you have less memory to play with and it’s less stable, in my experience. It’s also not immediately obvious how to get things done, compared with the makecode IDE. With my teenage pupils it was only the makecode JS / block programming that lit up their eyes. The Python tools were too weird. Devices like this are about playfulness and doing weird stuff, and only tangentially about programming, I’ve found. The killer feature of Circuit Playground was the v2/“Express” (CPE) board with its infrared transmit and receive functionality. Connectivity turns these things from toys into real hacking platforms. I spent the holidays making IR “WiFi” for a pool of 8 CPEs. The v3 Bluetooth-enabled board sounds great but it won’t be as popular with my classes if it doesn’t support makecode (which it currently does not.)
- xrd 6y ago
  This is a fantastic write-up. Thank you. Are the details of your classes online anywhere?
  - gorgoiler 6y ago
    Thanks. I don’t, but you don’t need the structure of a class. My Circuit Playground stuff all happens as an after school club. I let the kids riff, then review their project before showing them a new idea. It’s like they are learning a modern era computer game where there are no manuals, only self discovered game mechanics. (CS classes have much more structure but are more niche and for the older pupils.)
kylepdavis 6y ago
Great timing. I just showed my kids some of the things you can do with this on the Circuit Playground Bluefruit[1] earlier today. It comes with a lot of sensors and is full of possibilities. For getting started fast I can't recommend MakeCode[2] enough. It's a web IDE with a compiler and device simulator for programming microcontrollers with blocks or JavaScript/Python. That said, for more complex projects CircuitPython might be a better choice. There are tons of docs and lots of great examples. It re-runs your code every time you save so you get instant feedback. Also, the vscode-circuitpython[3] plugin has been really nice too. [1]: https://www.adafruit.com/product/4333 https://www.adafruit.com/product/4333 [2]: https://maker.makecode.com https://maker.makecode.com [3]: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=joedevivo.vscode-circuitpython https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=joedeviv...

What adafruit board would be best for a beginner (at circuit python but long time developer otherwise) dad and his 8 year old kid?

by xrd 6y ago

What adafruit board would be best for a beginner (at circuit python but long time developer otherwise) dad and his 8 year old kid?

riq_ 6y ago

from a programming point of view, all are the same. But if you want to introduce your kid to play with sensors and other stuff, I'd get Playground Blefruit[1] [1]: https://www.adafruit.com/product/4333 https://www.adafruit.com/product/4333

ducktective 6y ago
Seconded. Pick something with wireless connectivity and lots of on-board sensors/LEDs.
M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
any add-ons that you’d recommend? or other stuff for kids playing with Python? maybe an arduino board plus a raspberry pi?
- ducktective 6y ago
  Depends on the level of abstraction you and your kid are willing to get into. Arduino's are lower-level C/C++ which may be a little more complex than CP, but have much broader library support (better intro to EE/embedded). RPis are much higher level which could be programmed in any language (better intro to CS/Linux).
  - M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
    for kids, so ideally not as low as C++

raykamp 6y ago

Adafruit’s line of “featherboards” are pretty neat and user friendly. For circuit python, you plug the board in over usb. It’s detected as a mass storage device like a usb drive. You drag and drop a python file over to it that you want to run. https://www.adafruit.com/product/4516 https://www.adafruit.com/product/4516

agravier 6y ago

It's not Adafruit (although they make lots of kits for it) but I'd advise the micro:bit v2 (https://microbit.org/new-microbit/ https://microbit.org/new-microbit/)

gorgoiler 6y ago

Circuit Playground is the hardware product that goes hand in hand with CircuitPython, but you’ll probably want to program it using makecode instead. Version 2 called “Circuit Playground Express” is currently very popular. V1 is obsolete, and there’s a version 3 with Bluetooth. All of them are pre-built with sensors, RGB LEDs, and buttons. This removes a huge hurdle: no soldering required. (Soldering is a fun skill but so is baking bread and cross country hiking — most kids are usually 100% focused on making blinking lights and don’t want to do anything tangential.) Right now, only version 2 is supported by http://makecode.adafruit.com http://makecode.adafruit.com. makecode is different to CircuitPython: you write your code in JavaScript either using a visual block language or directly in the online JS IDE — both of which are very high quality dev environments with excellent discoverability — and compile everything into a new .UF2 firmware for the device to load each time. The site provides an emulator which is another killer feature. You can go there right now and start programming a board. CircuitPython on the other hand is itself a pre baked UF2 firmware with a Python interpreter built in. Because your dev tools (runtime, debugger) are now on the device you have less memory to play with and it’s less stable, in my experience. It’s also not immediately obvious how to get things done, compared with the makecode IDE. With my teenage pupils it was only the makecode JS / block programming that lit up their eyes. The Python tools were too weird. Devices like this are about playfulness and doing weird stuff, and only tangentially about programming, I’ve found. The killer feature of Circuit Playground was the v2/“Express” (CPE) board with its infrared transmit and receive functionality. Connectivity turns these things from toys into real hacking platforms. I spent the holidays making IR “WiFi” for a pool of 8 CPEs. The v3 Bluetooth-enabled board sounds great but it won’t be as popular with my classes if it doesn’t support makecode (which it currently does not.)

xrd 6y ago
This is a fantastic write-up. Thank you. Are the details of your classes online anywhere?
- gorgoiler 6y ago
  Thanks. I don’t, but you don’t need the structure of a class. My Circuit Playground stuff all happens as an after school club. I let the kids riff, then review their project before showing them a new idea. It’s like they are learning a modern era computer game where there are no manuals, only self discovered game mechanics. (CS classes have much more structure but are more niche and for the older pupils.)

kylepdavis 6y ago

Great timing. I just showed my kids some of the things you can do with this on the Circuit Playground Bluefruit[1] earlier today. It comes with a lot of sensors and is full of possibilities. For getting started fast I can't recommend MakeCode[2] enough. It's a web IDE with a compiler and device simulator for programming microcontrollers with blocks or JavaScript/Python. That said, for more complex projects CircuitPython might be a better choice. There are tons of docs and lots of great examples. It re-runs your code every time you save so you get instant feedback. Also, the vscode-circuitpython[3] plugin has been really nice too. [1]: https://www.adafruit.com/product/4333 https://www.adafruit.com/product/4333 [2]: https://maker.makecode.com https://maker.makecode.com [3]: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=joedevivo.vscode-circuitpython https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=joedeviv...