3 ms·

In a free market you can choose who your corporate “overlords” are. So; which are you for? Should the government prevent monopolies from having free speech? Be

by tjr225 6y ago

In a free market you can choose who your corporate “overlords” are. So; which are you for? Should the government prevent monopolies from having free speech? Because telling google or whoever what or what not they allow in their private platforms is anti free speech. 0r should the government simply prevent monopolies so you have the choice to go somewhere else to consume whatever frothing angry garbage you wish to consume? You don’t get to have it both ways but both are contrarian to ridiculous libertarian ideals- funny how that works.

AmericanChopper 6y ago
Just need to make your own social media platform, right? Let the market decide?
devmunchies 6y ago
or Option C: we continue to complain so public opinion can change thus creating enough demand for alternatives and then we leave google to die. We get the law, no need to bring it up every chance you get. All these BigCorp white knights aren't doing the public any favors with your wet-blanketry.
- tjr225 6y ago
  I am in no way defending google. Fuck google. I don’t use google to the greatest extent of my abilities. I’m defending a private entities right to free speech. I’m a white knight for the constitution and if you’re American, you should be too. Public opinion should change and we should have alternatives; but as long as google and amazon hold monopolies on internet infrastructure option C can’t happen. We shouldn’t be mad at google policing their own content- we should be mad that theyre the one of the only games in town.
  - devmunchies 6y ago
    yes. I want as little govt intervention as possible. But nobody is calling for govt intervention here. we want public sentiments to continue to fester so we can be rid of google the natural way—competition. Your calls for defending company speech seem out of place. The article clearly talks about building alternatives. We are simply complaining about google and your sarcastic suggestions were for violating their rights. You're the one who brought it up.
    - tjr225 6y ago
      I’m sorry but I think if you believe that google can be cancelled by public opinion you are out of touch with the economic and social reality that we are in. I would be happy to be wrong, however. Also; only one of my suggestions was sarcastic.
      - devmunchies 6y ago
        > I’m sorry but I think if you believe that google can be cancelled by public opinion you are out of touch Then what's your solution? you want govt censorship? they have rights! you should read the constitution.
        tjr225 6y ago
        Have you been reading any of my comments? These companies shouldn't be allowed to hold monopolies. Amazon shouldn't be able to remove you from the internet. Google shouldn't be the only advertising platform in the world. The solution isn't to take away these private entities right to free speech and your solution won't work as long as these monopolies exist. I'm not sure how much longer I can repeat myself.
        devmunchies 6y ago
        you never named a solution. you're just saying what isn't a solution. a.k.a. wet-blanketry. > The solution isn't to take away these private entities right to free speech That was never suggested by anyone. We just want increased public outrage which will encourage (1) competition and/or (2) anti-trust investigations. > Have you been reading any of my comments? no.
- tylerjwilk00 6y ago
  Sure. Until public opinion is blocked and censored on the very platforms that need reformed. This is Monopoly 101. C'mon man!
cratermoon 6y ago
https://bitworking.org/news/2008/01/the-free-market-fairy/ https://bitworking.org/news/2008/01/the-free-market-fairy/
- chrisco255 6y ago
  12 years later...and our government has never seemed so trigger shy to take monopolies to task as they do today. Perhaps that's because our politicians are already owned by them? I'm not happy with the current situation and I'm not sure of the solution. It's very difficult to clear Congress of its incumbents.

by tjr225 6y ago

AmericanChopper 6y ago

Just need to make your own social media platform, right? Let the market decide?

devmunchies 6y ago

or Option C: we continue to complain so public opinion can change thus creating enough demand for alternatives and then we leave google to die. We get the law, no need to bring it up every chance you get. All these BigCorp white knights aren't doing the public any favors with your wet-blanketry.

tjr225 6y ago
I am in no way defending google. Fuck google. I don’t use google to the greatest extent of my abilities. I’m defending a private entities right to free speech. I’m a white knight for the constitution and if you’re American, you should be too. Public opinion should change and we should have alternatives; but as long as google and amazon hold monopolies on internet infrastructure option C can’t happen. We shouldn’t be mad at google policing their own content- we should be mad that theyre the one of the only games in town.
- devmunchies 6y ago
  yes. I want as little govt intervention as possible. But nobody is calling for govt intervention here. we want public sentiments to continue to fester so we can be rid of google the natural way—competition. Your calls for defending company speech seem out of place. The article clearly talks about building alternatives. We are simply complaining about google and your sarcastic suggestions were for violating their rights. You're the one who brought it up.
  - tjr225 6y ago
    I’m sorry but I think if you believe that google can be cancelled by public opinion you are out of touch with the economic and social reality that we are in. I would be happy to be wrong, however. Also; only one of my suggestions was sarcastic.
    - devmunchies 6y ago
      > I’m sorry but I think if you believe that google can be cancelled by public opinion you are out of touch Then what's your solution? you want govt censorship? they have rights! you should read the constitution.
      - tjr225 6y ago
        Have you been reading any of my comments? These companies shouldn't be allowed to hold monopolies. Amazon shouldn't be able to remove you from the internet. Google shouldn't be the only advertising platform in the world. The solution isn't to take away these private entities right to free speech and your solution won't work as long as these monopolies exist. I'm not sure how much longer I can repeat myself.
        devmunchies 6y ago
        you never named a solution. you're just saying what isn't a solution. a.k.a. wet-blanketry. > The solution isn't to take away these private entities right to free speech That was never suggested by anyone. We just want increased public outrage which will encourage (1) competition and/or (2) anti-trust investigations. > Have you been reading any of my comments? no.
tylerjwilk00 6y ago
Sure. Until public opinion is blocked and censored on the very platforms that need reformed. This is Monopoly 101. C'mon man!

cratermoon 6y ago

https://bitworking.org/news/2008/01/the-free-market-fairy/ https://bitworking.org/news/2008/01/the-free-market-fairy/

chrisco255 6y ago
12 years later...and our government has never seemed so trigger shy to take monopolies to task as they do today. Perhaps that's because our politicians are already owned by them? I'm not happy with the current situation and I'm not sure of the solution. It's very difficult to clear Congress of its incumbents.