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I feel like my choice to not participate in non-anonymous social media in any but the absolute most bland and uninteresting ways is the best long running decisi

I feel like my choice to not participate in non-anonymous social media in any but the absolute most bland and uninteresting ways is the best long running decision I've ever made. The end of anonymized internet is the end of my participation in it and sadly I think that day is fast approaching.

FriendlyNormie 6y ago
That’s nice faggot but if you actually read the fucking article you’ll notice that the person was punished for visiting the sites at all, not for participating.
cblconfederate 6y ago
but if a future employer asks to see some social credentials and they don't see any, they ll be suspicious
- HDMI_Cable 6y ago
  If said employer is asking for your private social media, then they're probably not worth working for anyway.
  - DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
    Tens of millions of people in the US alone don't have the privilege of being on the supply-side for a high-demand skillset. "they're probably not worth working for anyway" is not a reasonable nor helpful response to people in that situation.
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - HDMI_Cable 6y ago
      That's a sad thing though, that people don't have enough leverage against their employer for more benefits.
      - evilsetg 6y ago
        I think this is what unions are for. Powerless alone but strong together.
        skinkestek 6y ago
        I've been anti union for almost my entire life as you cannot really be a member of a union without at the same time supporting a number of unrelated cases that I disagree wildly with. That said I am starting to feel that we could need something like unions, only they should avoid messing with international affairs, avoid supporting any political parties and stick to working for their members directly.
        DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
        > avoid supporting any political parties Unions represent their workers and by extension must advocate politically for workers' rights. How can a union fight for workers' rights if they're barred from political activity? If companies can engage in political activity, it follows that workers' unions are just as entitled.
        skinkestek 6y ago
        > How can a union fight for workers' rights if they're barred from political activity? You are replying to something I didn't write. I want them barred from supporting specific parties, not from influencing laws, negotiating, organizing, providing legal support etc. Around here unions largely align with what is probably Labour elsewhere, which makes sense. But I personally feel I cannot in good conscience be found supporting someone who directly time and time again organizes boycotts against middle Easts only somehow working democracy. I cannot live with supporting companies that are openly hostile to values I find important. So I end up outside the unions, at least until someone creates one that promises to not do that. > If companies can engage in political activity, it follows that workers' unions are just as entitled. Yep. And that's ok. But I won't support them as long as they try to meddle in international affairs or even push national lawmaking in directions I think are abhorrent.
- mellosouls 6y ago
  If a future employer expects such social "credentials" from me, I'll be suspicious and tell them where to go.
  - dehrmann 6y ago
    I'd ask them where I should report phishing attempts.
  - DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
    My favourite take I read about was to give them the credentials for a social-media account that is full of personal information that directly fields the "illegal interview questions"[1] (in US law, at least) - assuming one gets a rejection from the company you have grounds to sue them for discrimination because they essentially asked questions they're not allowed to. [1] https://www.betterteam.com/illegal-interview-questions https://www.betterteam.com/illegal-interview-questions I recall a case around 8-10 years ago when an employer or university admissions dept forcefully asked someone for their Facebook username and password - she declined but offered to login on a computer in the office for them to see - which they agreed to, and her profile had details the interviewers were not legally entitled to receive, and she sued and she won... - or something. Does anyone else remember?
- hertzrat 6y ago
  Social media accounts are not credentials, and that requirement is bogus for 99% of jobs unless your job is social media publicity
  - DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
    Call it "bogus" but the evidence suggests it's happening - most likely by old-world companies run by paternalistic owners big enough to care about their PR but not big enough to hire competent HR lawyers to advise them not to do that at all. ...otherwise we wouldn't have law bloggers writing articles like this: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-employers-ask-passwords-my-social-media-accounts.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-employers-ask-pa...
  - sneak 6y ago
    Forget about credentials, hiring someone is a risk and you basically go into it as an employer flying blind. I request social media links (not passwords, just profile links) from everyone I'm considering hiring, because any/all information I can use to winnow potentially problem hires out before I make an offer is extremely valuable to me. You can tell a lot about a person from their social media profiles and posts.
    - elastolin 6y ago
      Is this satire? The fact that you even specify that you "do not ask for passwords" for social media accounts of potential hires, is sketchy as fuck. I'm sorry for the desperate people that go along with this shit.
      - sneak 6y ago
        I wanted to clarify as there are reports of employers asking for people's social media login credentials (to log in as them and archive/review old/private posts) as a condition for hiring. I think that's insane and abusive. Asking to see someone's public webpage isn't.
        6y ago
- CGamesPlay 6y ago
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the employer is asking about this, it's to make sure that you don't post anything stupid that would get them on the wrong side of the in-group. If you were in this position, your tepid kid and travel photos would get a passing grade.
- commandlinefan 6y ago
  > future employer asks to see some social credentials So it's no longer enough to just keep your "wrong" opinions to yourself, you have to actually prove that you have the "right" opinions. Enjoy having the right opinions at the moment, I guess - until fashions change, anyway.
lqet 6y ago
> the best long running decision I've ever made I feel exactly the same way, although initially, this wasn't a conscious decision. I just did not understand the hype and ignored it. For me, as a 90ies kid, social media was IRC, messengers, and email. It still is. When I first read about Twitter, I thought that technologically, it was only one step away from a Hello World web application.

FriendlyNormie 6y ago

That’s nice faggot but if you actually read the fucking article you’ll notice that the person was punished for visiting the sites at all, not for participating.

cblconfederate 6y ago

but if a future employer asks to see some social credentials and they don't see any, they ll be suspicious

HDMI_Cable 6y ago
If said employer is asking for your private social media, then they're probably not worth working for anyway.
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
  Tens of millions of people in the US alone don't have the privilege of being on the supply-side for a high-demand skillset. "they're probably not worth working for anyway" is not a reasonable nor helpful response to people in that situation.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - HDMI_Cable 6y ago
    That's a sad thing though, that people don't have enough leverage against their employer for more benefits.
    - evilsetg 6y ago
      I think this is what unions are for. Powerless alone but strong together.
      - skinkestek 6y ago
        I've been anti union for almost my entire life as you cannot really be a member of a union without at the same time supporting a number of unrelated cases that I disagree wildly with. That said I am starting to feel that we could need something like unions, only they should avoid messing with international affairs, avoid supporting any political parties and stick to working for their members directly.
        DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
        > avoid supporting any political parties Unions represent their workers and by extension must advocate politically for workers' rights. How can a union fight for workers' rights if they're barred from political activity? If companies can engage in political activity, it follows that workers' unions are just as entitled.
        skinkestek 6y ago
        > How can a union fight for workers' rights if they're barred from political activity? You are replying to something I didn't write. I want them barred from supporting specific parties, not from influencing laws, negotiating, organizing, providing legal support etc. Around here unions largely align with what is probably Labour elsewhere, which makes sense. But I personally feel I cannot in good conscience be found supporting someone who directly time and time again organizes boycotts against middle Easts only somehow working democracy. I cannot live with supporting companies that are openly hostile to values I find important. So I end up outside the unions, at least until someone creates one that promises to not do that. > If companies can engage in political activity, it follows that workers' unions are just as entitled. Yep. And that's ok. But I won't support them as long as they try to meddle in international affairs or even push national lawmaking in directions I think are abhorrent.
mellosouls 6y ago
If a future employer expects such social "credentials" from me, I'll be suspicious and tell them where to go.
- dehrmann 6y ago
  I'd ask them where I should report phishing attempts.
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
  My favourite take I read about was to give them the credentials for a social-media account that is full of personal information that directly fields the "illegal interview questions"[1] (in US law, at least) - assuming one gets a rejection from the company you have grounds to sue them for discrimination because they essentially asked questions they're not allowed to. [1] https://www.betterteam.com/illegal-interview-questions https://www.betterteam.com/illegal-interview-questions I recall a case around 8-10 years ago when an employer or university admissions dept forcefully asked someone for their Facebook username and password - she declined but offered to login on a computer in the office for them to see - which they agreed to, and her profile had details the interviewers were not legally entitled to receive, and she sued and she won... - or something. Does anyone else remember?
hertzrat 6y ago
Social media accounts are not credentials, and that requirement is bogus for 99% of jobs unless your job is social media publicity
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
  Call it "bogus" but the evidence suggests it's happening - most likely by old-world companies run by paternalistic owners big enough to care about their PR but not big enough to hire competent HR lawyers to advise them not to do that at all. ...otherwise we wouldn't have law bloggers writing articles like this: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-employers-ask-passwords-my-social-media-accounts.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-employers-ask-pa...
- sneak 6y ago
  Forget about credentials, hiring someone is a risk and you basically go into it as an employer flying blind. I request social media links (not passwords, just profile links) from everyone I'm considering hiring, because any/all information I can use to winnow potentially problem hires out before I make an offer is extremely valuable to me. You can tell a lot about a person from their social media profiles and posts.
  - elastolin 6y ago
    Is this satire? The fact that you even specify that you "do not ask for passwords" for social media accounts of potential hires, is sketchy as fuck. I'm sorry for the desperate people that go along with this shit.
    - sneak 6y ago
      I wanted to clarify as there are reports of employers asking for people's social media login credentials (to log in as them and archive/review old/private posts) as a condition for hiring. I think that's insane and abusive. Asking to see someone's public webpage isn't.
      - 6y ago
CGamesPlay 6y ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the employer is asking about this, it's to make sure that you don't post anything stupid that would get them on the wrong side of the in-group. If you were in this position, your tepid kid and travel photos would get a passing grade.
commandlinefan 6y ago
> future employer asks to see some social credentials So it's no longer enough to just keep your "wrong" opinions to yourself, you have to actually prove that you have the "right" opinions. Enjoy having the right opinions at the moment, I guess - until fashions change, anyway.

lqet 6y ago

> the best long running decision I've ever made I feel exactly the same way, although initially, this wasn't a conscious decision. I just did not understand the hype and ignored it. For me, as a 90ies kid, social media was IRC, messengers, and email. It still is. When I first read about Twitter, I thought that technologically, it was only one step away from a Hello World web application.