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I agree with simias. What does JS have to do with my VPN? What was wrong with Skype? Still beats the pants off others for quality. I cannot think of much good

I agree with simias. What does JS have to do with my VPN? What was wrong with Skype? Still beats the pants off others for quality. I cannot think of much good agressive whitespace, hamburger menus, infinite scrolling, HID hijacking, copy-paste preventing, trackers etc, etc etc, has brought us, besides into the world of Aggressive Ad Arbitrage. Need https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ be mentioned? The real powerhouse was Flash, then HTML5, and now WebAssembly, or as I like to call it, reinventing the wheel while simultaneously and conveniently blocking ad-blockers.

windowojji 6y ago
I like that the website you linked still has Google Analytics JS embedded.
- nofunsir 6y ago
  F12 it ;)
- GoblinSlayer 6y ago
  It's states what it gets right: it's lightweight, accessible, compatible, responsive, legible and it works.
triceratops 6y ago
> I cannot think of much good...[JS] has brought us... This has shades of "What have the Romans ever done for us". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djZkTnJnLR0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djZkTnJnLR0
- nofunsir 6y ago
  Still waiting for the sanitation, aqueducts, roads, peace, etc...
scrollaway 6y ago
So .. because you don't like design trends, you're saying JS is useless? That's like saying wool is useless because you don't like modern fashion.
2Gkashmiri 6y ago
946ms for me. has google analytics
roblabla 6y ago
> WebAssembly, or as I like to call it, reinventing the wheel while simultaneously and conveniently blocking ad-blockers. This meme needs to die. WebAssembly doesn't prevent ad blocking at all. Ad blocking relies on blocking network requests for the most part, which can still absolutely be blocked when done by WASM. Some ad blockers also optionally relies on removing DOM nodes for greater coverage. It's important to note that this technique is used to reduce visual clutter, but doesn't prevent tracking, and doesn't increase browsing performance as the ad still gets downloaded before being removed. Yes, a purely canvas-based app could work around DOM blocking, but WASM has nothing to do with it: you can do pure canvas-based UIs in javascript too, that's what all the modern web games do.
Accacin 6y ago
You're blaming the language for how people use it. It's like saying C is bad because people use it to write root kits.
- sthnblllII 6y ago
  C is for writing trusted native code. JS is for writing untrusted code in a sandbox that is way too leaky.
Normal_gaussian 6y ago
It turns out: securing on network services is a PITA that school network admins don't need more of; developing good ones is expensive and is best outsourced to a SaaS; on network/on device resources need more extensive vetting than web resources; on network/device resources take days to try out and roll out with cooperation of the understaffed IT team, web resources take one class and a link. Skype is superceeded by a half dozen more targetted classroom video chats - none of which need installing or require the kids to have accounts. From the perspective of more easily deployable apps that are more useful to end users, WebAsm > HTML5 > Flash. The fact the ad monopolies run our major web developments is convenient for them to piggyback these changes, but isn't the drive for them.

windowojji 6y ago

I like that the website you linked still has Google Analytics JS embedded.

nofunsir 6y ago
F12 it ;)
GoblinSlayer 6y ago
It's states what it gets right: it's lightweight, accessible, compatible, responsive, legible and it works.

triceratops 6y ago

> I cannot think of much good...[JS] has brought us... This has shades of "What have the Romans ever done for us". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djZkTnJnLR0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djZkTnJnLR0

nofunsir 6y ago
Still waiting for the sanitation, aqueducts, roads, peace, etc...

scrollaway 6y ago

So .. because you don't like design trends, you're saying JS is useless? That's like saying wool is useless because you don't like modern fashion.

2Gkashmiri 6y ago

946ms for me. has google analytics

roblabla 6y ago

> WebAssembly, or as I like to call it, reinventing the wheel while simultaneously and conveniently blocking ad-blockers. This meme needs to die. WebAssembly doesn't prevent ad blocking at all. Ad blocking relies on blocking network requests for the most part, which can still absolutely be blocked when done by WASM. Some ad blockers also optionally relies on removing DOM nodes for greater coverage. It's important to note that this technique is used to reduce visual clutter, but doesn't prevent tracking, and doesn't increase browsing performance as the ad still gets downloaded before being removed. Yes, a purely canvas-based app could work around DOM blocking, but WASM has nothing to do with it: you can do pure canvas-based UIs in javascript too, that's what all the modern web games do.

Accacin 6y ago

You're blaming the language for how people use it. It's like saying C is bad because people use it to write root kits.

sthnblllII 6y ago
C is for writing trusted native code. JS is for writing untrusted code in a sandbox that is way too leaky.

Normal_gaussian 6y ago

It turns out: securing on network services is a PITA that school network admins don't need more of; developing good ones is expensive and is best outsourced to a SaaS; on network/on device resources need more extensive vetting than web resources; on network/device resources take days to try out and roll out with cooperation of the understaffed IT team, web resources take one class and a link. Skype is superceeded by a half dozen more targetted classroom video chats - none of which need installing or require the kids to have accounts. From the perspective of more easily deployable apps that are more useful to end users, WebAsm > HTML5 > Flash. The fact the ad monopolies run our major web developments is convenient for them to piggyback these changes, but isn't the drive for them.