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Regulation seems appropriate.
by CogitoCogito 6y ago
Regulation seems appropriate.
- Daho0n 6y agoSo different website features per country? Or do you mean regulation decides how a browser implements it? Either way I don't see how that would ever work.
- CogitoCogito 6y agoYou are aware there are country-specific (or even more local) regulations covering companies today right? In fact essentially all regulations are. So why are you acting like my proposition is somehow unprecedented?
- TaylorAlexander 6y agoIsn’t it obvious? Most companies subject to regulations are physically located somewhere. It’s much harder to enforce regulations against companies that operate in every global jurisdiction at once.
- CogitoCogito 6y agoThere are like 3 companies that do the vast majority of advertising. They have operations in countries they do business with. Do you think they’re hard to track down? Web tracking has consolidated over time hence enforcement is _easier_.
- Daho0n 6y agoBecause this is about websites, not companies. I'm not a company. Do my website use a different regulated subset of JavaScript than yours? If it is a company do they follow local rules or local for the hosting company? What about sites that incorporate sources from different locations? Do JavaScript library developers now have to create a version of their script for each countries regulation? Then the US regulation will decide the rules for all of the worlds JavaScript development and deployment. No, which technologies that can be used on a website doesn't belong at regulators but developers. What can and cannot be tracked and collected belongs at regulators.
- CogitoCogito 6y agoI'm kind of confused here. Websites have to do everything you're saying today already. There are already different rules regarding data privacy, protected speech, etc. in different countries. How you choose to fulfill those obligations is up to you. But yes if your point is that it requires work to follow various different regulations, then of course you're correct. In fact, that's the whole point. The regulations are there to change your behavior in the market in question. We've had regulations across varying markets since pretty much time immemorial.
- Daho0n 6y agoMy point is that regulation of web standards and browser features isn't possible - regulation of data collected is. If you try to regulate the technology (supercookie, java Script, etc.) it isn't the collectee that gets in trouble with the law but the developers of the browsers, libraries and websites like Mozilla, jQuery and "me". Regulating browser features is like regulating the maximum speed of cars. The ones punished for a "too fast Lamborghini" would then be the factory, not the owner driving 40 miles an hour. In other words if the US says a Lamborghini must have a maximum speed below 50mph, the EU says 80mph and a tiny island somewhere says 300mph, where do you think Lamborghini will incorporate the part of their factory that gets their cars certified? Then we have a run to the bottom like with tax evasion and the small developer gets strangled. Regulation doesn't belong on things like supercookies but on what you collect with them.
- kortilla 6y agoRegulation as a solution for problems on the Internet is pretty stupid because jurisdictions are so diverse.
- silentbugs 6y agoBut the reason you're not brute forcing passwords on your bank's e-banking system isn't because you can't or because they are super secure, it's because if you do you'll probably go to jail. Also, good regulation is important to keep the big dogs on a leash and to have something to go after them when they don't behave. Technological solutions will of course come, but you also need regulation, especially until the technological solutions come.
- kortilla 6y ago> But the reason you're not brute forcing passwords on your bank's e-banking system isn't because you can't or because they are super secure, it's because if you do you'll probably go to jail. No, this is really out of touch with how crime online works. People that want to hammer a bank rent botnets, use tor, vpns, etc. Banks get absolutely zero protection from the law in that regard. It’s “illegal” but completely unenforceable to the point of being useless.
- CogitoCogito 6y agoI’m confused by your response given that regulations are a _standard_ solution for problems on the internet.
- sjwright 6y ago"Regulation" mandated stupid cookie consent overlays on every damn European website. Thanks, regulation.
- CogitoCogito 6y agoDoes the fact that some regulations are ineffective imply that all are?
- account42 6y agoThere is no regulation mandating cookie consent overlays - websites are free to not abuse cookies to track their users.
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- alentist 6y ago> There is no regulation mandating cookie consent overlays Yes there is. A mugging is still a mugging even if the victim is "free" to give their wallet. > websites are free to not abuse cookies to track their users. You're free to not use such websites. I dislike tracking and avoid being tracked myself. But this absolutely is a regulation and it's immensely disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
- tremon 6y agoNope, only on those that intend to abuse your personal information.