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Advertising destroys everything. If something is based on ad revenue, it goes to shit ultimately. The latest casualty was podcasts. It's revolting. Ad-based b

Advertising destroys everything. If something is based on ad revenue, it goes to shit ultimately. The latest casualty was podcasts. It's revolting. Ad-based businesses need to be boycotted until this disease is in lasting remission.

ogre_codes 6y ago
> The latest casualty was podcasts. It's revolting. Hmm? Yes, there are adverts on all the podcasts I listen to. Many of my favorites offer members only ad-free versions. Usually I suffer through the ad supported versions because the adverts are easy enough to skip. Some podcasts have too many adverts or annoyingly inserted advertising. Those are pretty 1 and done. No point listening to them. IMO the (current) podcast market is a good example of how we can enjoy content and know the producers are compensated without having to deal with obtrusive marketing crap. It is getting clear some podcasting is getting sucked into things like Spotify, but there is still enough good content I don't think it's a problem.
- monopoledance 6y ago
  I absolutely don't respect having my weir podcast-friendship relationship with the host exploited by fully integrated ad pieces whispered to me in a trusted voice. That. Is. Sick.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    I respect that podcasters are spending their time and effort putting together a program which I enjoy. The price I pay for that is listening to them talk about some product I don't give a shit about for a few seconds until I can hit the skip button. To me, there is a clear cut deal with no deceit. Do you feel people should volunteer their time gratis to entertain you? What Hacker News does with adverts slipped into the newsfeed is essentially the same as what podcasters do.
    - monopoledance 6y ago
      Please don't take offense in this, but your "advertisement doesn't influence me" take is quite silly and naive. Not being rational about the effects of advertisement is the whole point of these product placements. It is not information, but manipulation. > Do you feel people should volunteer their time gratis to entertain you? No. They can do as they please. I'd prefer them to do it for the sake of it, or charge in a direct matter like a subscription model. However they should not, never, try to manipulate me for their profit. I merely said the scene dominated by enthusiasts/hobbyists changed to a predominantly revenue-focused environment. You see the same dynamic at play, which made youtube the signal:noise hell it is today. Mind you, the German and American podcast scene were very different in that regard, as in America monetization of every possible creation seems to be much more common. I assume this is down to a different set of factual constraints and values.

ogre_codes 6y ago

> The latest casualty was podcasts. It's revolting. Hmm? Yes, there are adverts on all the podcasts I listen to. Many of my favorites offer members only ad-free versions. Usually I suffer through the ad supported versions because the adverts are easy enough to skip. Some podcasts have too many adverts or annoyingly inserted advertising. Those are pretty 1 and done. No point listening to them. IMO the (current) podcast market is a good example of how we can enjoy content and know the producers are compensated without having to deal with obtrusive marketing crap. It is getting clear some podcasting is getting sucked into things like Spotify, but there is still enough good content I don't think it's a problem.

monopoledance 6y ago
I absolutely don't respect having my weir podcast-friendship relationship with the host exploited by fully integrated ad pieces whispered to me in a trusted voice. That. Is. Sick.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  I respect that podcasters are spending their time and effort putting together a program which I enjoy. The price I pay for that is listening to them talk about some product I don't give a shit about for a few seconds until I can hit the skip button. To me, there is a clear cut deal with no deceit. Do you feel people should volunteer their time gratis to entertain you? What Hacker News does with adverts slipped into the newsfeed is essentially the same as what podcasters do.
  - monopoledance 6y ago
    Please don't take offense in this, but your "advertisement doesn't influence me" take is quite silly and naive. Not being rational about the effects of advertisement is the whole point of these product placements. It is not information, but manipulation. > Do you feel people should volunteer their time gratis to entertain you? No. They can do as they please. I'd prefer them to do it for the sake of it, or charge in a direct matter like a subscription model. However they should not, never, try to manipulate me for their profit. I merely said the scene dominated by enthusiasts/hobbyists changed to a predominantly revenue-focused environment. You see the same dynamic at play, which made youtube the signal:noise hell it is today. Mind you, the German and American podcast scene were very different in that regard, as in America monetization of every possible creation seems to be much more common. I assume this is down to a different set of factual constraints and values.