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Remzi and Andrea [0] have a pretty well regarded OS book used to teach the OS course at Wisconsin [1-2]. Hope they’re doing well, Andrea’s course teaching Scra

Remzi and Andrea [0] have a pretty well regarded OS book used to teach the OS course at Wisconsin [1-2]. Hope they’re doing well, Andrea’s course teaching Scratch to 4th and 5th graders at a local elementary school was a highlight of my time there. [0] I would use honorifics, but they are married which makes it a bit confusing. [1] Which I never took but was well regarded when I was an undergrad [2] http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~remzi/OSTEP/ http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~remzi/OSTEP/

pmiller2 6y ago
If you think that's confusing, I had two professors in grad school who were married and shared the same last name. She had a PhD when I started there, so I called her "Doctor," but he didn't, so I called him "Steve." Well, Steve later got his PhD, so I was incredibly confused at that point. We collectively resolved the dilemma by all agreeing to be on a first name basis. Now that I've spent significant time in industry and have worked with more people with PhDs than were in my department in grad school, I've come to realize I was being a little bit silly. In my experience, at least once you get to the graduate level, anybody who insists on being called "doctor" seems a little full of it to me. That said, I still think it's appropriate for undergrads to call their professors "doctor," when applicable, and I was always careful to do so whenever I was in the presence of any undergrads.
- leetcrew 6y ago
  I always just called my professors "professor {lastname}". that way I didn't have to keep track of who was a grad student or lecturer with a masters and who actually had a phd.
  - skissane 6y ago
    That works in the US, given in the US students call all academics "professor". However, in other countries, you would not call someone "professor X" unless they actually had the word "professor" in their job title. Here in Australia, a lot of academics don't – you start out as a "Lecturer", then get promoted to "Senior Lecturer", then "Associate Professor", then finally "Professor", and calling a lecturer "professor" is not done. And you certainly wouldn't use the word "professor" when addressing a PhD student.
    - pmiller2 6y ago
      It's not correct at all for graduate student instructors, though.
      - skissane 6y ago
        But yes for any instructor who has a PhD?
        pmiller2 6y ago
        Yes, PhD = "doctor." That's what the "D" is actually for. PhD is shortened from philosophiae doctor, meaning "doctor of philosophy." Anyone who holds a legitimate PhD can use the title "doctor," and, if they so desire, ask people to call them "doctor" legitimately.
        skissane 6y ago
        Yes, I agree it is okay to address people with doctorates (including PhD) by the term "doctor", at least in certain contexts. But my question was about "professor" though, not "doctor". You say you wouldn't call a grad student instructor a "professor", but what about an instructor with a PhD (but without any formal academic title of "professor")?
        pmiller2 6y ago
        I would say that depends more on the culture of the institution than anything. "Professor" is acceptable at some places, first name is the norm at others, and "Mr./Mrs./Ms." at still others. When I was a grad student, I made a point when introducing myself on day 1 that I was not a professor, so please don't call me "Professor Pmiller2" Then, I said something about "if you call me "Mr. Pmiller2," I'm going to wonder if my dad is standing behind me, so, please just call me "$FIRSTNAME." That was pretty much the standard where I was among people in my department (grad students = first names).
- vxNsr 6y ago
  > anybody who insists on being called "doctor" seems a little full of it Careful, this apparently is blasphemy these days.
  - thewakalix 6y ago
    Professors and politicians are fairly disjoint.
  - quantified 6y ago
    They can be full of it and in the right at the same time.
- drewzero1 6y ago
  At my university (undergrad) we had two professors in the same department who were married and shared the same last name. I had a course they taught together and they told us to call them Mrs. Dr. ___ and Mr. Dr. ___. I thought it was an elegant solution and I appreciated being told what they preferred to be called.

pmiller2 6y ago

If you think that's confusing, I had two professors in grad school who were married and shared the same last name. She had a PhD when I started there, so I called her "Doctor," but he didn't, so I called him "Steve." Well, Steve later got his PhD, so I was incredibly confused at that point. We collectively resolved the dilemma by all agreeing to be on a first name basis. Now that I've spent significant time in industry and have worked with more people with PhDs than were in my department in grad school, I've come to realize I was being a little bit silly. In my experience, at least once you get to the graduate level, anybody who insists on being called "doctor" seems a little full of it to me. That said, I still think it's appropriate for undergrads to call their professors "doctor," when applicable, and I was always careful to do so whenever I was in the presence of any undergrads.

leetcrew 6y ago
I always just called my professors "professor {lastname}". that way I didn't have to keep track of who was a grad student or lecturer with a masters and who actually had a phd.
- skissane 6y ago
  That works in the US, given in the US students call all academics "professor". However, in other countries, you would not call someone "professor X" unless they actually had the word "professor" in their job title. Here in Australia, a lot of academics don't – you start out as a "Lecturer", then get promoted to "Senior Lecturer", then "Associate Professor", then finally "Professor", and calling a lecturer "professor" is not done. And you certainly wouldn't use the word "professor" when addressing a PhD student.
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    It's not correct at all for graduate student instructors, though.
    - skissane 6y ago
      But yes for any instructor who has a PhD?
      - pmiller2 6y ago
        Yes, PhD = "doctor." That's what the "D" is actually for. PhD is shortened from philosophiae doctor, meaning "doctor of philosophy." Anyone who holds a legitimate PhD can use the title "doctor," and, if they so desire, ask people to call them "doctor" legitimately.
        skissane 6y ago
        Yes, I agree it is okay to address people with doctorates (including PhD) by the term "doctor", at least in certain contexts. But my question was about "professor" though, not "doctor". You say you wouldn't call a grad student instructor a "professor", but what about an instructor with a PhD (but without any formal academic title of "professor")?
        pmiller2 6y ago
        I would say that depends more on the culture of the institution than anything. "Professor" is acceptable at some places, first name is the norm at others, and "Mr./Mrs./Ms." at still others. When I was a grad student, I made a point when introducing myself on day 1 that I was not a professor, so please don't call me "Professor Pmiller2" Then, I said something about "if you call me "Mr. Pmiller2," I'm going to wonder if my dad is standing behind me, so, please just call me "$FIRSTNAME." That was pretty much the standard where I was among people in my department (grad students = first names).
vxNsr 6y ago
> anybody who insists on being called "doctor" seems a little full of it Careful, this apparently is blasphemy these days.
- thewakalix 6y ago
  Professors and politicians are fairly disjoint.
- quantified 6y ago
  They can be full of it and in the right at the same time.
drewzero1 6y ago
At my university (undergrad) we had two professors in the same department who were married and shared the same last name. I had a course they taught together and they told us to call them Mrs. Dr. ___ and Mr. Dr. ___. I thought it was an elegant solution and I appreciated being told what they preferred to be called.