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Yes, you can do that via whitelist/blacklist: https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/misc/whitelist-blacklist/ https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/misc/whitelist-blacklist

Yes, you can do that via whitelist/blacklist: https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/misc/whitelist-blacklist/ https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/misc/whitelist-blacklist/

secondcoming 6y ago
allowlist/denylist
- tsujp 6y ago
  You and everyone else who exhibit this are reading into things that don't exist. Language has context, words are part of language and so therefore words have context too.
  - pkulak 6y ago
    Exactly. And using white/black as synonyms for good/bad may be creating context (connotations, really) that we don't want. It would be fine if we hadn't already overloaded those words to refer to people... but, here we are. In the context we've created. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    - cgriswald 6y ago
      The original poster used the terms used by the technology. The best choices for changing this terminology would be to write a treatise for HN consumption (to reach the community at large) or to contact the authors of the technology that use this terminology (to fix the origin in this case). Sniping a 'random internet poster' is just lazy trolling.
  - JKCalhoun 6y ago
    A black celebrity (forget who) said that he came to the realization growing up that the only positive connotation he could find for black was "in the black" with regards to finances. So, I kind of see the point.
    - cgriswald 6y ago
      The downside of that is being 'in the red', which is also potentially problematic. To fix the problem, we either have to stop referring to any metaphor/symbol involving color with negative connotations; or we have to stop using color to identify and refer to people. I think the former is good for precision (allowlist/denylist are great identifiers in that regard), but won't really solve our other problems; while the latter is probably better for human dignity, mutual respect, and combating our propensity for tribalism/racism. (Or, why not, we could do both.)
- ARandomerDude 6y ago
  Man I can't wait until I get special treatment because I drive a vehicle of color.
- trewnews 6y ago
  Really? Is this not Doublespeak?
  - kayodelycaon 6y ago
    Not quite. A number of applications use allow/deny for access control. I’ve seen allowlist and denylist more than ten years ago.
- vaduz 6y ago
  > allowlist/denylist As of now, it is called whitelist/blacklist in PiHole [0]. Maybe it will change, maybe it will not, but there is already a place to fight that battle [1] and it is not HN. [0] https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/misc/whitelist-blacklist/ https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/misc/whitelist-blacklist/ [1] https://github.com/pi-hole/AdminLTE/issues/1448 https://github.com/pi-hole/AdminLTE/issues/1448
- daotoad 6y ago
  Why are people being so negative about this? If the terms whitelist/blacklist are hurtful to some people because of all the racial baggage we've applied to the words white and black, why not switch to allow/deny instead? Using allow/deny is more explicit and doesn't rely on the benign cultural associations with the colors black and white. The choice of colors used here is arbitrary. For example, one could just as easily use green/red in reference to traffic signal colors. Ask yourself, would it bother you if we used blue and pink for allow and deny? What if we used blue or white as synonymous with deny? Two good reasons exist to change our habits, basic manners and clarity. I'm sure I'll use the terms blacklist and whitelist from time to time out of accumulated habit. But there's no reason for me to cling to those terms. Being gently reminded to use objectively clearer terminology shouldn't engender hostility on my part. I try not to be an unpleasant person, part of that is when someone tells me my behavior has a negative impact on them, I try to listen to what they say and modify my behavior--while actually effecting change can be hard, the underlying concept is pretty simple.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    I suspect it is the perception that it's a bit pedantic to correct an otherwise correct answer. I agree with you, but also don't really think it needs to be corrected every single time someone posts whitelist/blacklist. EDIT: apparently setting allowlist/denylist won't work so it's not just being pedantic, it's wrong.
  - shakna 6y ago
    Whitelist/blacklist have their origins in terms from the 1400s and nothing to do with race (they have to do with criminality). Twisting their etymology to fit some kind of racial bias is sort of weird. And throwing aside 600 years of clarity for "basic manners" also seems rather weird. Sort of like banning the word "engender" because a small minority might find that to be offensive. It isn't clearer to use a different word than has been used for over half a millennium.
    - 8note 6y ago
      Blacklist/whitelist are not used consistently, so the clarity is not there. You can't see whitelist and consistently know whether it's going to be an allow list or a deny list

Yes, you can do that via whitelist/blacklist: https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/misc/whitelist-blacklist/ https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/misc/whitelist-blacklist/

secondcoming 6y ago

allowlist/denylist

tsujp 6y ago
You and everyone else who exhibit this are reading into things that don't exist. Language has context, words are part of language and so therefore words have context too.
- pkulak 6y ago
  Exactly. And using white/black as synonyms for good/bad may be creating context (connotations, really) that we don't want. It would be fine if we hadn't already overloaded those words to refer to people... but, here we are. In the context we've created. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - cgriswald 6y ago
    The original poster used the terms used by the technology. The best choices for changing this terminology would be to write a treatise for HN consumption (to reach the community at large) or to contact the authors of the technology that use this terminology (to fix the origin in this case). Sniping a 'random internet poster' is just lazy trolling.
- JKCalhoun 6y ago
  A black celebrity (forget who) said that he came to the realization growing up that the only positive connotation he could find for black was "in the black" with regards to finances. So, I kind of see the point.
  - cgriswald 6y ago
    The downside of that is being 'in the red', which is also potentially problematic. To fix the problem, we either have to stop referring to any metaphor/symbol involving color with negative connotations; or we have to stop using color to identify and refer to people. I think the former is good for precision (allowlist/denylist are great identifiers in that regard), but won't really solve our other problems; while the latter is probably better for human dignity, mutual respect, and combating our propensity for tribalism/racism. (Or, why not, we could do both.)
ARandomerDude 6y ago
Man I can't wait until I get special treatment because I drive a vehicle of color.
trewnews 6y ago
Really? Is this not Doublespeak?
- kayodelycaon 6y ago
  Not quite. A number of applications use allow/deny for access control. I’ve seen allowlist and denylist more than ten years ago.
vaduz 6y ago
> allowlist/denylist As of now, it is called whitelist/blacklist in PiHole [0]. Maybe it will change, maybe it will not, but there is already a place to fight that battle [1] and it is not HN. [0] https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/misc/whitelist-blacklist/ https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/misc/whitelist-blacklist/ [1] https://github.com/pi-hole/AdminLTE/issues/1448 https://github.com/pi-hole/AdminLTE/issues/1448
daotoad 6y ago
Why are people being so negative about this? If the terms whitelist/blacklist are hurtful to some people because of all the racial baggage we've applied to the words white and black, why not switch to allow/deny instead? Using allow/deny is more explicit and doesn't rely on the benign cultural associations with the colors black and white. The choice of colors used here is arbitrary. For example, one could just as easily use green/red in reference to traffic signal colors. Ask yourself, would it bother you if we used blue and pink for allow and deny? What if we used blue or white as synonymous with deny? Two good reasons exist to change our habits, basic manners and clarity. I'm sure I'll use the terms blacklist and whitelist from time to time out of accumulated habit. But there's no reason for me to cling to those terms. Being gently reminded to use objectively clearer terminology shouldn't engender hostility on my part. I try not to be an unpleasant person, part of that is when someone tells me my behavior has a negative impact on them, I try to listen to what they say and modify my behavior--while actually effecting change can be hard, the underlying concept is pretty simple.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  I suspect it is the perception that it's a bit pedantic to correct an otherwise correct answer. I agree with you, but also don't really think it needs to be corrected every single time someone posts whitelist/blacklist. EDIT: apparently setting allowlist/denylist won't work so it's not just being pedantic, it's wrong.
- shakna 6y ago
  Whitelist/blacklist have their origins in terms from the 1400s and nothing to do with race (they have to do with criminality). Twisting their etymology to fit some kind of racial bias is sort of weird. And throwing aside 600 years of clarity for "basic manners" also seems rather weird. Sort of like banning the word "engender" because a small minority might find that to be offensive. It isn't clearer to use a different word than has been used for over half a millennium.
  - 8note 6y ago
    Blacklist/whitelist are not used consistently, so the clarity is not there. You can't see whitelist and consistently know whether it's going to be an allow list or a deny list