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You can trivially find the sort of investments and projects Shell is working towards...they are heavily involved in offshore wind for electricity and green hydr

by cr1895 6y ago

You can trivially find the sort of investments and projects Shell is working towards...they are heavily involved in offshore wind for electricity and green hydrogen. That they would be buying up EV charging in order to dismantle it can be dismissed outright. https://www.shell.com/energy-and-innovation/new-energies.html https://www.shell.com/energy-and-innovation/new-energies.htm... https://www.shell.nl/media/persberichten/2020-media-releases/grootste-groene-waterstofproject-van-europa-in-groningen.html https://www.shell.nl/media/persberichten/2020-media-releases...

jsight 6y ago
IMO, the concern isn't so much dismantling it as mismanaging it. Some of these charge networks are moving to REALLY unattractive pricing models.
- sigio 6y ago
  Yup.... shell (via subsidiary newmotion.com) just changed their pricing model in the Netherlands. From variable pricing per charging point (most cheaper than 35ct), they now have a fixed 35ct /kwh overall. In practice it means my charging went from 18 or 25ct to 35ct/kwh. Lets just say I haven't used shell-recharge/newmotion since they implemented this last month.
  - spockz 6y ago
    Do you have a recommendation for another “provider”. I do like the maturity of the new motion app and most chargers i frequent were 32-35ct/kWh already. I wonder what people now pay for charging for my NewMotion charger at home. That used to be controlled by my price. If I set that to 10ct/kWh, will they make a 25ct margin?
albrewer 6y ago
I graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering. One of the projects available to me was the Shell Eco Car marathon[0] challenge, where they sponsored teams and gave prizes to contest winners (I didn't choose that as my project, sadly). They've been active in green/alternative energy research for decades and have made some huge bets on hydrogen. Sure, they're in oil and gas which makes them somewhat inherently slimy, but as far as I can tell they're the energy company making the best efforts to stop (or greatly reduce) their production and extraction of fossil fuels, and TFA only reinforces my opinion on that. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Eco-marathon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Eco-marathon

by cr1895 6y ago

jsight 6y ago

IMO, the concern isn't so much dismantling it as mismanaging it. Some of these charge networks are moving to REALLY unattractive pricing models.

sigio 6y ago
Yup.... shell (via subsidiary newmotion.com) just changed their pricing model in the Netherlands. From variable pricing per charging point (most cheaper than 35ct), they now have a fixed 35ct /kwh overall. In practice it means my charging went from 18 or 25ct to 35ct/kwh. Lets just say I haven't used shell-recharge/newmotion since they implemented this last month.
- spockz 6y ago
  Do you have a recommendation for another “provider”. I do like the maturity of the new motion app and most chargers i frequent were 32-35ct/kWh already. I wonder what people now pay for charging for my NewMotion charger at home. That used to be controlled by my price. If I set that to 10ct/kWh, will they make a 25ct margin?

albrewer 6y ago

I graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering. One of the projects available to me was the Shell Eco Car marathon[0] challenge, where they sponsored teams and gave prizes to contest winners (I didn't choose that as my project, sadly). They've been active in green/alternative energy research for decades and have made some huge bets on hydrogen. Sure, they're in oil and gas which makes them somewhat inherently slimy, but as far as I can tell they're the energy company making the best efforts to stop (or greatly reduce) their production and extraction of fossil fuels, and TFA only reinforces my opinion on that. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Eco-marathon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Eco-marathon