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> - impossible to put an image into a clipboard (so that user can e.g. paste it outside a browser) That's a feature. Websites should not have access to my clip

> - impossible to put an image into a clipboard (so that user can e.g. paste it outside a browser) That's a feature. Websites should not have access to my clipboard. > - no PWA mode (impossible to put an icon of a website to your homescreen, which will open the website without a browser UI) That's a feature. Icons on my home screen should only ever be native applications. Use bookmarks for websites instead. > - impossible to have keyboard shortcuts with Alt https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130 Just build a native app. It's literally what you want.

matsemann 6y ago
Not having a feature you don't like is not a feature.... Putting yourself as the arbiter for what others would want is arrogant.
- inetknght 6y ago
  > Not having a feature you don't like is not a feature Having a feature that breaks user's security is not a feature.
  - franga2000 6y ago
    What security? This is about write-only access and it already exists, just not for all media types.
    - inetknght 6y ago
      So a website can inject crap into my clipboard? No thanks.
      - franga2000 6y ago
        That is your opinion and your problem and there's an about:config option to disable it.
        inetknght 6y ago
        about:config isn't intuitive for users. It should be prominent under the main settings menu under privacy/permissions
        franga2000 6y ago
        Why? Why would a harmless feature that the vast majority of people want have to have its own "prominent" setting. I'd argue the exact opposite - that making it prominent would lead people to disable it without knowing the consequences and then think their browser is broken: "Oh, I don't want sites to access my clipboard, that sounds scary", then two months later "this browser sucks! When I copy my selection from Google Docs it strips all formatting! It works in Chrome, Firefox sucks!" Anyways, this is far more time than I'm willing to spend talking to someone who thinks their PoV is the only correct one (I just now recognize your username from a few other threads under this post). Cheeers!
gnud 6y ago
> Websites should not have access to my clipboard. Being able to take an image from the web page and place it on the clipboard is not 'the website having access to my clipboard'. It's the _browser_ having access. Going in the reverse direction, placing data from the clipboard into the web page, is more tricky, but Firefox already does a good job of blocking clipboard accesses unless they're the direct result of user action (keyboard shortcut or button press).
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  You know that you can just copy an image to the clipboard on Firefox yourself, right? Right click, copy image. The question is whether the website should be able to push images to the clipboard by itself, which it shouldn't. Firefox already supports doing what you're talking about.
  - franga2000 6y ago
    The point is when the image is not an image. Maybe it's being drawn on a canvas, or composited with multiple layers, or you want only a part of it (all of these apply to Photopea, I believe). I don't like the way clipboard access is handled in browsers either, but the fact remains that if I'm using an in-browser image editor, select a part of the image and press CTRL+C, I want that portion of the image in my clipboard. How it gets there is an implementation detail that the average user doesn't and, if it doesn't affect security/privacy, shouldn't have to care about. And since it's write-only, there's no security/privacy concern.
IvanK_net 6y ago
So let's say it is 2005, some phones have cameras, and some don't. The manufacturer of phones without cameras says: "Phones are for calling, just buy a camera, it is literally what you want". You can be right, but the market has a final word. Today, many people enjoy using advanced apps, that can be "installed" and "uninstalled" in one second (by opening and closing a website), without leaving any track (mess) in your computer.
jjcon 6y ago
It’s dismissals like this that have led Firefox to have the same market share as ‘Samsung internet’ What happened to giving users control?
jakelazaroff 6y ago
> Just build a native app. It's literally what you want. What if "literally what I want" is to edit a photo without installing any software?
colejohnson66 6y ago
> That's a feature. Icons on my home screen should only ever be native applications. Use bookmarks for websites instead. Why shouldn’t I be allowed to put a bookmark as an icon? That’s essentially what a PWA is anyways. A fancy bookmark that behaves like a native app. Why are you the arbitrator of what I can do?

matsemann 6y ago

Not having a feature you don't like is not a feature.... Putting yourself as the arbiter for what others would want is arrogant.

inetknght 6y ago
> Not having a feature you don't like is not a feature Having a feature that breaks user's security is not a feature.
- franga2000 6y ago
  What security? This is about write-only access and it already exists, just not for all media types.
  - inetknght 6y ago
    So a website can inject crap into my clipboard? No thanks.
    - franga2000 6y ago
      That is your opinion and your problem and there's an about:config option to disable it.
      - inetknght 6y ago
        about:config isn't intuitive for users. It should be prominent under the main settings menu under privacy/permissions
        franga2000 6y ago
        Why? Why would a harmless feature that the vast majority of people want have to have its own "prominent" setting. I'd argue the exact opposite - that making it prominent would lead people to disable it without knowing the consequences and then think their browser is broken: "Oh, I don't want sites to access my clipboard, that sounds scary", then two months later "this browser sucks! When I copy my selection from Google Docs it strips all formatting! It works in Chrome, Firefox sucks!" Anyways, this is far more time than I'm willing to spend talking to someone who thinks their PoV is the only correct one (I just now recognize your username from a few other threads under this post). Cheeers!

gnud 6y ago

> Websites should not have access to my clipboard. Being able to take an image from the web page and place it on the clipboard is not 'the website having access to my clipboard'. It's the _browser_ having access. Going in the reverse direction, placing data from the clipboard into the web page, is more tricky, but Firefox already does a good job of blocking clipboard accesses unless they're the direct result of user action (keyboard shortcut or button press).

sudosysgen 6y ago
You know that you can just copy an image to the clipboard on Firefox yourself, right? Right click, copy image. The question is whether the website should be able to push images to the clipboard by itself, which it shouldn't. Firefox already supports doing what you're talking about.
- franga2000 6y ago
  The point is when the image is not an image. Maybe it's being drawn on a canvas, or composited with multiple layers, or you want only a part of it (all of these apply to Photopea, I believe). I don't like the way clipboard access is handled in browsers either, but the fact remains that if I'm using an in-browser image editor, select a part of the image and press CTRL+C, I want that portion of the image in my clipboard. How it gets there is an implementation detail that the average user doesn't and, if it doesn't affect security/privacy, shouldn't have to care about. And since it's write-only, there's no security/privacy concern.

IvanK_net 6y ago

So let's say it is 2005, some phones have cameras, and some don't. The manufacturer of phones without cameras says: "Phones are for calling, just buy a camera, it is literally what you want". You can be right, but the market has a final word. Today, many people enjoy using advanced apps, that can be "installed" and "uninstalled" in one second (by opening and closing a website), without leaving any track (mess) in your computer.

jjcon 6y ago

It’s dismissals like this that have led Firefox to have the same market share as ‘Samsung internet’ What happened to giving users control?

jakelazaroff 6y ago

> Just build a native app. It's literally what you want. What if "literally what I want" is to edit a photo without installing any software?

colejohnson66 6y ago

> That's a feature. Icons on my home screen should only ever be native applications. Use bookmarks for websites instead. Why shouldn’t I be allowed to put a bookmark as an icon? That’s essentially what a PWA is anyways. A fancy bookmark that behaves like a native app. Why are you the arbitrator of what I can do?