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> I couldn't vote as a European in UK but I would have voted Leave. Thank God for that, as you seem to not understand any of the issues involved. Greece's prob

by spzb 6y ago

> I couldn't vote as a European in UK but I would have voted Leave. Thank God for that, as you seem to not understand any of the issues involved. Greece's problems relate to the Euro which the UK had opted out of. And the notion that some central EU interloper has invaded us and taken over our legislature is just fantasy put about by Little Englander and disaster capitalists.

ashtonkem 6y ago
It’s fascinating how many of the Leave arguments, as much as they exist, either boil down to not understanding how the EU works, or blaming the EU for mistakes that the UK government made.
- jelliclesfarm 6y ago
  https://youtu.be/rvYuoWyk8iU https://youtu.be/rvYuoWyk8iU : almost 40 years ago, Sir Humphrey explains the EEC(EU)..from Yes, Minister.
- anonymoushen 6y ago
  For 6 weeks in 2018 the EU ran a survey asking its citzens whether they want to the bi-annual clock change to stop. (Do you see it? I didn't). 4.6M (of the total population of around 448M) participated. With the exception of Germany (3.19%), Austria (2.94%) and Luxembourg (1.78%) all other countries had less than 1% of their population canvassed. The EU concludes that 84% of its population want Europe to stop changing the clocks[1]. The Commission proposed, the Parliament voted[2] (did you see that in any MSP election material? I didn't) and when the Council of Minsters approves, it will become law. That is the sausage-making of the EU laws: canvass 1% of the population who you'll know will support your argument and claim your democratic mandate. [1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_18_5302 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_18_... [2] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47704345 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47704345
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    You're describing polling. The EU polling its citizens before passing a law is bad how?
jokethrowaway 6y ago
I agree that, by not having adopted the Euro, the UK was outside of a lot of the mess. I still think the structural problems of weaker EU countries will cause more problems than benefits in the future for key nets contributors (like the UK was). The Covid 750B€ fund, aptly named Next Generation EU (repayments will start in 2028), is another example of a worrying redistributive trend that makes me want to not be in the EU.

by spzb 6y ago

ashtonkem 6y ago

It’s fascinating how many of the Leave arguments, as much as they exist, either boil down to not understanding how the EU works, or blaming the EU for mistakes that the UK government made.

jelliclesfarm 6y ago
https://youtu.be/rvYuoWyk8iU https://youtu.be/rvYuoWyk8iU : almost 40 years ago, Sir Humphrey explains the EEC(EU)..from Yes, Minister.
anonymoushen 6y ago
For 6 weeks in 2018 the EU ran a survey asking its citzens whether they want to the bi-annual clock change to stop. (Do you see it? I didn't). 4.6M (of the total population of around 448M) participated. With the exception of Germany (3.19%), Austria (2.94%) and Luxembourg (1.78%) all other countries had less than 1% of their population canvassed. The EU concludes that 84% of its population want Europe to stop changing the clocks[1]. The Commission proposed, the Parliament voted[2] (did you see that in any MSP election material? I didn't) and when the Council of Minsters approves, it will become law. That is the sausage-making of the EU laws: canvass 1% of the population who you'll know will support your argument and claim your democratic mandate. [1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_18_5302 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_18_... [2] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47704345 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47704345
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  You're describing polling. The EU polling its citizens before passing a law is bad how?

jokethrowaway 6y ago

I agree that, by not having adopted the Euro, the UK was outside of a lot of the mess. I still think the structural problems of weaker EU countries will cause more problems than benefits in the future for key nets contributors (like the UK was). The Covid 750B€ fund, aptly named Next Generation EU (repayments will start in 2028), is another example of a worrying redistributive trend that makes me want to not be in the EU.