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I am a creator of a web-based image editor www.Photopea.com and here are things I miss in Firefox (and why my users prefer to use Chrome): - impossible to put

I am a creator of a web-based image editor www.Photopea.com and here are things I miss in Firefox (and why my users prefer to use Chrome): - impossible to put an image into a clipboard (so that user can e.g. paste it outside a browser) - no PWA mode (impossible to put an icon of a website to your homescreen, which will open the website without a browser UI) - impossible to have keyboard shortcuts with Alt https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130

butz 6y ago
Sadly, "PWA mode" (it probably should be called "Install to desktop") was being worked on under "Site Specific Browser (SSB)" name, but due to lacking resources work will be scrapped. More info here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1407202 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1407202
joshuaissac 6y ago
> no PWA mode (impossible to put an icon of a website to your homescreen, which will open the website without a browser UI) Firefox for Android has this. Are you referring to Firefox for desktop?
- IvanK_net 6y ago
  I think a PWA mode is useful in all cases on all devices. But most of users use my program on desktops.
  - emayljames 6y ago
    On my Firefox Desktop on Manjaro Linux, I was able to save a link and set it to no toolbars. No magic settings done.
- tweetle_beetle 6y ago
  The Firefox team has more or less said that the feature is not coming to desktop. I think a primitive version was hidden behind a flag, but even that is going to be dropped.
  - addicted 6y ago
    Do you know the reasoning behind this?
    - kenniskrag 6y ago
      > As Gijs says, we have limited resources and so have to spend those resources on work that appears to have the most impact on our mission. Based on the available data we have (both the research we performed as well as looking at how Chrome and Edge's implementations are being received) PWAs on desktop fall behind other work right now. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1682593 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1682593
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - eznzt 6y ago
    That's bad. I use it with Edgium for Spotify and it's neat, it behaves like a desktop application.
    - moron4hire 6y ago
      I use it for about half a dozen apps. Azure Portal, Youtube Music, SoundCloud, Google Cloud Platform, Twitter, Teamwork, and this chat app I maintain. And I keep them pinned to my taskbar. I love this feature.
      - deleted 6y ago
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loudmax 6y ago
How is performance on Firefox? I can do without the clipboard or PWA mode. Performance and responsiveness are what converted me and plenty others from Firefox when Chrome first appeared. If Firefox performance is at least close to Chrome/Chromium it'd make switching back much more appealing.
- ocdtrekkie 6y ago
  Firefox performance since about version 68 or so has been excellent.
  - slizard 6y ago
    In fact, _better_ than Chrome for most websites (exceptions perhaps google's). I used to struggle with Chrome/Chromium hang and chew on CPU cores, crawl to a halt, crash, or just simply run out of memory or a regular basis. Switched to Firefox ~67-69 and such issues are completely gone. I still have significant CPU usage from background tabs occasionally even in Firefox, but the rest of the issues are all nearly inexistent (even though I have on average 30+ tabs open).
    - eCa 6y ago
      My tabs have gotten out of control (they are in the hundreds (due to reasons)), but Firefox handles it quite nice. It only gets restarted after updates, so they are long-lived as well. Chrome seem to struggle when there are tens of tabs.
      - foepys 6y ago
        I personally know somebody who is currently running a Firefox with 3,000+ (yes, you read that right) tabs as part of their day to day workflow. Firefox just unloads tabs that weren't used for long and cause high memory pressure which is very neat feature for tab addicts.
        Kliment 6y ago
moron4hire 6y ago
Lack of OffscreenCanvas (without setting a flag) and OffscreenCanvasRenderingContext2D in WebWorkers (no flag at all) makes my WebXR project almost unusable (I have to jump through some ugly hoops of fading the view to black during scene loading to keep the user from throwing up from the render thread frame drops). Having to polyfill WebXR out of the ancient WebVR API is a pain, too. Normally, the fact that practically nobody actually uses Firefox would mean it's not a huge problem. But the only standalone VR headsets with a Chromium-based browser are the Facebook headsets. If Firefox were better, I could be running twice as many of the not-Facebook-encumbered Pico Neo headsets for the same price. As it stands, Oculus for Business headsets are almost the same price as a Valve Index, once you add in the mandatory "support" yearly licensing fee.
- alserio 6y ago
  > Normally, the fact that practically nobody actually uses Firefox would mean it's not a huge problem. I assume you mean "practically nobody without an adblocker". I dread the day we could have to live without Firefox. Don't dismiss it like that, please.
  - moron4hire 6y ago
    I'm sorry, but it's not my fault that Firefox only has 4% market share in the world. Mozilla dismissed themselves.
    - damnyou 6y ago
      I'm pretty sure the primary driver of that was Google turning Chrome into shovelware bundled with Adobe Flash and marketing it aggressively.
      - moron4hire 6y ago
        Cuz Firefox was in such a strong position before Google came around, right. Mozilla has never been a competitive company. They've always leaned heavily on the illusion of being a non-profit. They've always sold the "eat your vegetables" version of web browsing, without actually offering anything compelling over the competition. We're just expected to use Firefox because "it's made by not-Google".
jjcon 6y ago
I love photopea! Cool to see the dev on HN. Also yes, I’m a chromium user.
ginko 6y ago
> impossible to put an image into a clipboard (e.g. to paste it outside a browser) That's news to me. I do that almost on a daily basis with Firefox.
- muizelaar 6y ago
  This is about doing it programmatically. As in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1619947 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1619947
- superbatfish 6y ago
  Not sure, but I think he is referring to a programmatic API for doing it (e.g. so he can give users a "click here to copy image" button).
immewnity 6y ago
Right click -> Copy image does exactly what you want, no?
- nine_k 6y ago
  It's about programmatic access to clipboard, like selecting a part of image in a browser-based image editor (likely a canvas), and copy-pasting it into some other application.
- IvanK_net 6y ago
  I mean putting an image into a clipboard when the user presses Ctrl+C, or some button in my program (without crating a <img> element on the screen and asking the user to right-click it).
evilpie 6y ago
- impossible to put an image into a clipboard (e.g. to paste it outside a browser) I literally implemented support for the navigator.clipboard.write API, with image/png support included, in today's Firefox Nightly version: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1619947 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1619947 Enabling it on release might take a bit longer though. The specification is currently not in a good shape. And there are some open questions around permissions etc.
- JohnBooty 6y ago
  On behalf of millions of users, that's awesome and thank you, thank you, thank you for all that you do.
- inetknght 6y ago
  > I literally implemented support for the navigator.clipboard.write API I beg you, do not let websites put things into my clipboard.
  - IvanK_net 6y ago
    It can be done only after the user confirms, that they want to allow the website to do it (similar to a webcam access, etc).
    - account42 6y ago
      Is there also an option to never show that popup for any website?
      - IvanK_net 6y ago
        This is up to a browser. I believe a browser should give you an option to decline all such requests by default, without asking you each time. Just like you can browse the web with JS disabled, without images, etc.
  - DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
luastoned 6y ago
- impossible to have keyboard shortcuts with Alt https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130 I tried the keyboard shortcut fiddle with FF86 and it works just fine after clicking in the white part once.
- rzzzt 6y ago
  I encountered this problem in archive.org's DOS emulator, and at that time there was an about:config fix for it: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1278533 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1278533
  - jansan 6y ago
    Those about:config and chrome:flags fixes are only useful for us hackers. You cannot ask your user base to change the deep settings of your browser. For apps it either works out of the box or it does not.
maliker 6y ago
Great job with Photopea! Definitely the best image editor with Google Drive integration.
- alangibson 6y ago
  I was just grousing about not being able to crop an image in Drive. Heading off to check out Photopea...
inetknght 6y ago
> - impossible to put an image into a clipboard (so that user can e.g. paste it outside a browser) That's a feature. Websites should not have access to my clipboard. > - no PWA mode (impossible to put an icon of a website to your homescreen, which will open the website without a browser UI) That's a feature. Icons on my home screen should only ever be native applications. Use bookmarks for websites instead. > - impossible to have keyboard shortcuts with Alt https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130 Just build a native app. It's literally what you want.
- matsemann 6y ago
  Not having a feature you don't like is not a feature.... Putting yourself as the arbiter for what others would want is arrogant.
  - inetknght 6y ago
    > Not having a feature you don't like is not a feature Having a feature that breaks user's security is not a feature.
    - franga2000 6y ago
      What security? This is about write-only access and it already exists, just not for all media types.
      - inetknght 6y ago
        So a website can inject crap into my clipboard? No thanks.
        franga2000 6y ago
        That is your opinion and your problem and there's an about:config option to disable it.
mig39 6y ago
Hey, I just wanted to thank you for Photopea! We use it in our schools almost exclusively. Students love it.
- boogies 6y ago
  Student here, I loathe it and the schools that it et al. convince ChromeOS is an acceptable substitute for real OSes. It seems more crashy than pre-1.0 Inkscape and slow as nitrogen-cooled molasses to boot.
jjordan 6y ago
The thing I miss most in Firefox is the Smart Bookmarks feature they removed a while ago. Smart Bookmarks were fantastic. Add your favorite sites' RSS feeds to your bookmark toolbar and you'd have all the recent headlines from all your favorite sites at one click. Fortunately I wasn't the only one that appreciated this long neglected feature so someone created Livemarks (https://github.com/nt1m/livemarks/ https://github.com/nt1m/livemarks/) that mostly replicated its functionality, but it's not quite the same as having native support for them.
- 51Cards 6y ago
  Yes! I loved this feature and had several feeds linked up. Was wonderful to summarize my morning reading quickly.
  - jonathan6 6y ago
    How is performance on Firefox? https://toppctips.com https://toppctips.com
- rstuart4133 6y ago
  Yeah, I used that that too, and shed a tear when it died. But there are extensions that do a similar thing, eg Brief. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/brief/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/brief/ And once you've got past the pain of the move, they do a much better job. If Brief synced what you've read between Firefox instances (desktop / mobile in particular for me), it would be heaven. It might even be enough to turn induce me to create an account and turn on Firefox sync. However that is a forlorn wish given it hasn't been updated in 2 years now.
tsujp 6y ago
Hey thanks for the cool site -- I've used it numerous times for non-trivial image manipulation I've needed to complete where access to Photoshop was not possible.
prower 6y ago
> - impossible to put an image into a clipboard (so that user can e.g. paste it outside a browser) Isn't it possible with the convenient "Capture screeenshot" feature in Firefox (the 3 dots next to the address bar)?
- franga2000 6y ago
  I think that feature uses some private or extension-only APIs, whereas Photopea can only use what's available to normal webpages.
karakanb 6y ago
I just want to say thank you for creating Photopea. It has been a lifesaver in many occasions, amazing work!
- FR10 6y ago
  Exactly, opening .psd files in the browser is a huge game changer for me.
bityard 6y ago
> impossible to have keyboard shortcuts with Alt Wait, why should web pages be able to usurp keyboard shortcuts traditionally reserved for the browser itself?
- kaslai 6y ago
  Because people want a desktop application experience inside of the browser. When I was playing a Counter Strike web app example posted here a few months ago, it was endlessly frustrating to have Control and W mapped to actions that you may want to perform simultaneously while also not being able to suppress default behavior. I kept accidentally closing the tab as a result... I personally think that the ability to override default shortcuts isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I definitely think it should be opt-in, like capturing the mouse cursor is. There should be strict separation between "app" features and what a default website should be able to do. Overriding shortcuts should be one of the "app-only" features imo.
  - account42 6y ago
    > When I was playing a Counter Strike web app example posted here a few months ago, it was endlessly frustrating to have Control and W mapped to actions that you may want to perform simultaneously while also not being able to suppress default behavior. I kept accidentally closing the tab as a result... So play the native version - problem solved. This drive to accomodate people misusing the web for apps just bloats browsers (making it prohibitively expensive to develop alternative implementations) while adding tons of privacy leaks and attack surface for exploits.
    - kaslai 6y ago
      While I agree, unfortunately we're in the minority of people who actually care about that. The best I can ask for at this point is sane defaults.
arendtio 6y ago
+1 for the missing PWA mode. As a user I create separate Firefox profiles for every site I want to use as a PWA, add a desktop short-cut and some custom userChrome.css, but while the result is okay, it sucks to set it up. The only positive seems to be, that I can disable the buggy Spotify service-workers while keeping them enabled for other pages. It would be awesome, if the PWA implementation would even support the system tray (similar to kdocker), but just the basic functionality would be better than the status quo.
shmerl 6y ago
> impossible to put an image into a clipboard (so that user can e.g. paste it outside a browser) No idea what you mean. I can use any image. Right click - "Copy Image". Then paste it anywhere like in image editor. Works without any problems. Firefox 86.0b1, Debian testing / KDE Plasma 5.20.5.
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account42 6y ago
I'm sorry, but for me those are all anti-features in a browser. On the other hand, you could have all those if you had made a native applications.
- jansan 6y ago
  You will see more and more applications being implemented for the browser. Browsers who do not support this trend will simply lose market share. Simple as that.

butz 6y ago

Sadly, "PWA mode" (it probably should be called "Install to desktop") was being worked on under "Site Specific Browser (SSB)" name, but due to lacking resources work will be scrapped. More info here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1407202 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1407202

joshuaissac 6y ago

> no PWA mode (impossible to put an icon of a website to your homescreen, which will open the website without a browser UI) Firefox for Android has this. Are you referring to Firefox for desktop?

IvanK_net 6y ago
I think a PWA mode is useful in all cases on all devices. But most of users use my program on desktops.
- emayljames 6y ago
  On my Firefox Desktop on Manjaro Linux, I was able to save a link and set it to no toolbars. No magic settings done.
tweetle_beetle 6y ago
The Firefox team has more or less said that the feature is not coming to desktop. I think a primitive version was hidden behind a flag, but even that is going to be dropped.
- addicted 6y ago
  Do you know the reasoning behind this?
  - kenniskrag 6y ago
    > As Gijs says, we have limited resources and so have to spend those resources on work that appears to have the most impact on our mission. Based on the available data we have (both the research we performed as well as looking at how Chrome and Edge's implementations are being received) PWAs on desktop fall behind other work right now. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1682593 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1682593
- deleted 6y ago
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- eznzt 6y ago
  That's bad. I use it with Edgium for Spotify and it's neat, it behaves like a desktop application.
  - moron4hire 6y ago
    I use it for about half a dozen apps. Azure Portal, Youtube Music, SoundCloud, Google Cloud Platform, Twitter, Teamwork, and this chat app I maintain. And I keep them pinned to my taskbar. I love this feature.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]

loudmax 6y ago

How is performance on Firefox? I can do without the clipboard or PWA mode. Performance and responsiveness are what converted me and plenty others from Firefox when Chrome first appeared. If Firefox performance is at least close to Chrome/Chromium it'd make switching back much more appealing.

ocdtrekkie 6y ago
Firefox performance since about version 68 or so has been excellent.
- slizard 6y ago
  In fact, _better_ than Chrome for most websites (exceptions perhaps google's). I used to struggle with Chrome/Chromium hang and chew on CPU cores, crawl to a halt, crash, or just simply run out of memory or a regular basis. Switched to Firefox ~67-69 and such issues are completely gone. I still have significant CPU usage from background tabs occasionally even in Firefox, but the rest of the issues are all nearly inexistent (even though I have on average 30+ tabs open).
  - eCa 6y ago
    My tabs have gotten out of control (they are in the hundreds (due to reasons)), but Firefox handles it quite nice. It only gets restarted after updates, so they are long-lived as well. Chrome seem to struggle when there are tens of tabs.
    - foepys 6y ago
      I personally know somebody who is currently running a Firefox with 3,000+ (yes, you read that right) tabs as part of their day to day workflow. Firefox just unloads tabs that weren't used for long and cause high memory pressure which is very neat feature for tab addicts.
      - Kliment 6y ago

moron4hire 6y ago

Lack of OffscreenCanvas (without setting a flag) and OffscreenCanvasRenderingContext2D in WebWorkers (no flag at all) makes my WebXR project almost unusable (I have to jump through some ugly hoops of fading the view to black during scene loading to keep the user from throwing up from the render thread frame drops). Having to polyfill WebXR out of the ancient WebVR API is a pain, too. Normally, the fact that practically nobody actually uses Firefox would mean it's not a huge problem. But the only standalone VR headsets with a Chromium-based browser are the Facebook headsets. If Firefox were better, I could be running twice as many of the not-Facebook-encumbered Pico Neo headsets for the same price. As it stands, Oculus for Business headsets are almost the same price as a Valve Index, once you add in the mandatory "support" yearly licensing fee.

alserio 6y ago
> Normally, the fact that practically nobody actually uses Firefox would mean it's not a huge problem. I assume you mean "practically nobody without an adblocker". I dread the day we could have to live without Firefox. Don't dismiss it like that, please.
- moron4hire 6y ago
  I'm sorry, but it's not my fault that Firefox only has 4% market share in the world. Mozilla dismissed themselves.
  - damnyou 6y ago
    I'm pretty sure the primary driver of that was Google turning Chrome into shovelware bundled with Adobe Flash and marketing it aggressively.
    - moron4hire 6y ago
      Cuz Firefox was in such a strong position before Google came around, right. Mozilla has never been a competitive company. They've always leaned heavily on the illusion of being a non-profit. They've always sold the "eat your vegetables" version of web browsing, without actually offering anything compelling over the competition. We're just expected to use Firefox because "it's made by not-Google".

jjcon 6y ago

I love photopea! Cool to see the dev on HN. Also yes, I’m a chromium user.

ginko 6y ago

> impossible to put an image into a clipboard (e.g. to paste it outside a browser) That's news to me. I do that almost on a daily basis with Firefox.

muizelaar 6y ago
This is about doing it programmatically. As in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1619947 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1619947
superbatfish 6y ago
Not sure, but I think he is referring to a programmatic API for doing it (e.g. so he can give users a "click here to copy image" button).

immewnity 6y ago

Right click -> Copy image does exactly what you want, no?

nine_k 6y ago
It's about programmatic access to clipboard, like selecting a part of image in a browser-based image editor (likely a canvas), and copy-pasting it into some other application.
IvanK_net 6y ago
I mean putting an image into a clipboard when the user presses Ctrl+C, or some button in my program (without crating a <img> element on the screen and asking the user to right-click it).

evilpie 6y ago

- impossible to put an image into a clipboard (e.g. to paste it outside a browser) I literally implemented support for the navigator.clipboard.write API, with image/png support included, in today's Firefox Nightly version: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1619947 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1619947 Enabling it on release might take a bit longer though. The specification is currently not in a good shape. And there are some open questions around permissions etc.

JohnBooty 6y ago
On behalf of millions of users, that's awesome and thank you, thank you, thank you for all that you do.
inetknght 6y ago
> I literally implemented support for the navigator.clipboard.write API I beg you, do not let websites put things into my clipboard.
- IvanK_net 6y ago
  It can be done only after the user confirms, that they want to allow the website to do it (similar to a webcam access, etc).
  - account42 6y ago
    Is there also an option to never show that popup for any website?
    - IvanK_net 6y ago
      This is up to a browser. I believe a browser should give you an option to decline all such requests by default, without asking you each time. Just like you can browse the web with JS disabled, without images, etc.
- DyslexicAtheist 6y ago

luastoned 6y ago

- impossible to have keyboard shortcuts with Alt https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130 I tried the keyboard shortcut fiddle with FF86 and it works just fine after clicking in the white part once.

rzzzt 6y ago
I encountered this problem in archive.org's DOS emulator, and at that time there was an about:config fix for it: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1278533 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1278533
- jansan 6y ago
  Those about:config and chrome:flags fixes are only useful for us hackers. You cannot ask your user base to change the deep settings of your browser. For apps it either works out of the box or it does not.

maliker 6y ago

Great job with Photopea! Definitely the best image editor with Google Drive integration.

alangibson 6y ago
I was just grousing about not being able to crop an image in Drive. Heading off to check out Photopea...

inetknght 6y ago

> - impossible to put an image into a clipboard (so that user can e.g. paste it outside a browser) That's a feature. Websites should not have access to my clipboard. > - no PWA mode (impossible to put an icon of a website to your homescreen, which will open the website without a browser UI) That's a feature. Icons on my home screen should only ever be native applications. Use bookmarks for websites instead. > - impossible to have keyboard shortcuts with Alt https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130 Just build a native app. It's literally what you want.

matsemann 6y ago
Not having a feature you don't like is not a feature.... Putting yourself as the arbiter for what others would want is arrogant.
- inetknght 6y ago
  > Not having a feature you don't like is not a feature Having a feature that breaks user's security is not a feature.
  - franga2000 6y ago
    What security? This is about write-only access and it already exists, just not for all media types.
    - inetknght 6y ago
      So a website can inject crap into my clipboard? No thanks.
      - franga2000 6y ago
        That is your opinion and your problem and there's an about:config option to disable it.

mig39 6y ago

Hey, I just wanted to thank you for Photopea! We use it in our schools almost exclusively. Students love it.

boogies 6y ago
Student here, I loathe it and the schools that it et al. convince ChromeOS is an acceptable substitute for real OSes. It seems more crashy than pre-1.0 Inkscape and slow as nitrogen-cooled molasses to boot.

jjordan 6y ago

The thing I miss most in Firefox is the Smart Bookmarks feature they removed a while ago. Smart Bookmarks were fantastic. Add your favorite sites' RSS feeds to your bookmark toolbar and you'd have all the recent headlines from all your favorite sites at one click. Fortunately I wasn't the only one that appreciated this long neglected feature so someone created Livemarks (https://github.com/nt1m/livemarks/ https://github.com/nt1m/livemarks/) that mostly replicated its functionality, but it's not quite the same as having native support for them.

51Cards 6y ago
Yes! I loved this feature and had several feeds linked up. Was wonderful to summarize my morning reading quickly.
- jonathan6 6y ago
  How is performance on Firefox? https://toppctips.com https://toppctips.com
rstuart4133 6y ago
Yeah, I used that that too, and shed a tear when it died. But there are extensions that do a similar thing, eg Brief. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/brief/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/brief/ And once you've got past the pain of the move, they do a much better job. If Brief synced what you've read between Firefox instances (desktop / mobile in particular for me), it would be heaven. It might even be enough to turn induce me to create an account and turn on Firefox sync. However that is a forlorn wish given it hasn't been updated in 2 years now.

tsujp 6y ago

Hey thanks for the cool site -- I've used it numerous times for non-trivial image manipulation I've needed to complete where access to Photoshop was not possible.

prower 6y ago

> - impossible to put an image into a clipboard (so that user can e.g. paste it outside a browser) Isn't it possible with the convenient "Capture screeenshot" feature in Firefox (the 3 dots next to the address bar)?

franga2000 6y ago
I think that feature uses some private or extension-only APIs, whereas Photopea can only use what's available to normal webpages.

karakanb 6y ago

I just want to say thank you for creating Photopea. It has been a lifesaver in many occasions, amazing work!

FR10 6y ago
Exactly, opening .psd files in the browser is a huge game changer for me.

bityard 6y ago

> impossible to have keyboard shortcuts with Alt Wait, why should web pages be able to usurp keyboard shortcuts traditionally reserved for the browser itself?

kaslai 6y ago
Because people want a desktop application experience inside of the browser. When I was playing a Counter Strike web app example posted here a few months ago, it was endlessly frustrating to have Control and W mapped to actions that you may want to perform simultaneously while also not being able to suppress default behavior. I kept accidentally closing the tab as a result... I personally think that the ability to override default shortcuts isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I definitely think it should be opt-in, like capturing the mouse cursor is. There should be strict separation between "app" features and what a default website should be able to do. Overriding shortcuts should be one of the "app-only" features imo.
- account42 6y ago
  > When I was playing a Counter Strike web app example posted here a few months ago, it was endlessly frustrating to have Control and W mapped to actions that you may want to perform simultaneously while also not being able to suppress default behavior. I kept accidentally closing the tab as a result... So play the native version - problem solved. This drive to accomodate people misusing the web for apps just bloats browsers (making it prohibitively expensive to develop alternative implementations) while adding tons of privacy leaks and attack surface for exploits.
  - kaslai 6y ago
    While I agree, unfortunately we're in the minority of people who actually care about that. The best I can ask for at this point is sane defaults.

arendtio 6y ago

+1 for the missing PWA mode. As a user I create separate Firefox profiles for every site I want to use as a PWA, add a desktop short-cut and some custom userChrome.css, but while the result is okay, it sucks to set it up. The only positive seems to be, that I can disable the buggy Spotify service-workers while keeping them enabled for other pages. It would be awesome, if the PWA implementation would even support the system tray (similar to kdocker), but just the basic functionality would be better than the status quo.

shmerl 6y ago

> impossible to put an image into a clipboard (so that user can e.g. paste it outside a browser) No idea what you mean. I can use any image. Right click - "Copy Image". Then paste it anywhere like in image editor. Works without any problems. Firefox 86.0b1, Debian testing / KDE Plasma 5.20.5.

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account42 6y ago

I'm sorry, but for me those are all anti-features in a browser. On the other hand, you could have all those if you had made a native applications.

jansan 6y ago
You will see more and more applications being implemented for the browser. Browsers who do not support this trend will simply lose market share. Simple as that.