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Firefox 85

488 points by amake 6y ago

jonny383 6y ago
Slow release. Conscequence of firing engineering team and focusing on politics?
- tentacleuno 6y ago
  I really wish they would stop focusing on politics too. Now their latest political stunt has got heads rolling, hopefully Mozilla will learn that their money is best invested into Firefox.
  - war1025 6y ago
    > Now their latest political stunt has got heads rolling Care to elaborate? I assume the "political stunt" part was related to all the Trump deplatforming stuff a few weeks back. Hadn't heard anything related to anyone actually getting any pushback for it though.
    - tentacleuno 6y ago
      Sorry about the late reply. The Firefox apologist mob managed to get me shadow banned with the unjust down-votes, lol. A lot of people uninstalled Firefox because of Mozilla's politically-fueled 'disinformation' post on their blog. I don't blame them. I worry that Pocket will have these mysterious AI's enabled to defeat 'disinformation', which is why I actively avoid it. -- Tentacles
      - franga2000 6y ago
        > "the Firefox apologist mob" You can't possibly be serious....
- LukeShu 6y ago
  Releases happen monthly, often this late in the month: 80 was on the 25th 79 was on the 28th 78 was on the 30th
axelfontaine 6y ago
<link rel="preload" (see https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Preloading_content https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Preloading...) is the interesting one here! Great to see it finally landed in Firefox!
- input_sh 6y ago
  I'm hoping for <iframe loading="lazy"> in the next few releases!
- tentacleuno 6y ago
  Wait, what? Only now they've added this?
  - kevingadd 6y ago
    Preload was pretty broken in Chrome for quite a while (I'm still not sure whether they fixed the issues, actually) so it's possible there wasn't ever much pressure to implement it
  - hinkley 6y ago
    According to MDN, Safari 14 is the first to support preload.
whalesalad 6y ago
Every software vendor could learn a thing or two from the great presentation of FFX release notes.
- shrewdcomputer 6y ago
  I know it's not the important part of this post but their presentation really is good. Particularly the security fixes. Easy to find case numbers, impact levels and clear descriptions. All with decent spacing that makes the page feel clear and legible.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  This is one of the reasons I love Factorio. The release notes are so interesting, they're actually part of the game's experience.
- Y-bar 6y ago
  Yes! This is also why I think Sparkle [https://sparkle-project.org/ https://sparkle-project.org/] is one of the best things about the Mac application ecosystem. Edit: Should mention why, because it presents a consistent, and clear, UI for users and it encourages developers to write release notes.
- Schlaefer 6y ago
  Alas the amount of information is very small. These release notes usually only cover a fraction and somewhat arbitrary set of changes. In the past you could look up changes here [1], but updates there stopped a while ago. [1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Roadmap/Updates https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Roadmap/Updates
eitland 6y ago
Always a good thing. That said, I downloaded Pale Moon yesterday and tested it briefly: installed TST and one or two other extensions, visited a few ordinary sites. Even after all those years it still feel good. It is snappy and the lack of a noisy tab bar on the top in addition to TST is actually a huge deal! So my question for anyone from Mozilla who steps in here: when will you start fixing the extension API? I get it the new API is more secure, but there is nothing that prevents making tab positions configurable in a safe way. Also, could someone please fix that nasty UX bug that some UX designer introduced a decade or so ago where - if you select the tiniest thing on the page - the navigation buttons disappear from the context menus. After a decade or more this inconsistency still annoys me.
- LandR 6y ago
  You can get rid of the top tab and pretty much everything else by editing the chrome.css files. The problem is updates break it frequently. https://imgur.com/BPDN1uP https://imgur.com/BPDN1uP The tabs expand on mouse-over: https://imgur.com/7iCYykg https://imgur.com/7iCYykg
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  - eitland 6y ago
    > The problem is updates break it frequently. And IIRC they have expressed intent to remove this possibility completely.
    - kibwen 6y ago
      Source?
      - bartvk 6y ago
        Isn't it obvious? Since Firefox 69 or so, loading of userChrome.css and userContent.css is turned off by default, and must be explicitly enabled in about:config. Which is where features go to die.
tester34 6y ago
Why is it possible to detect whether you're using private mode or not? it's terrible, js shouldn't be aware of stuff like this.
- lucideer 6y ago
  There is no dedicated feature in js to detect private mode: private mode detection is done using a collection of innovative hacks and misuses of features. Tracking/detecting/fingerprinting/etc. is an arms race. Every feature a browser has (or could have and lacks), can be used as a variable to compile a tracking profile that identifies you and/or your general browser configuration (including but not limited to private mode). The biggest one of these though is something private mode can't control: IP. For that you need something like Tor or a VPN.
  - tester34 6y ago
    IP may be very unreliable, so for some people it'd work pretty fine
  - jakub_g 6y ago
    Like the parent said, typically it works like: - browser ships a feature X - they decide that X shouldn't be allowed in incognito (or that incognito mode returns fewer values, has lower quotas, uses different implementation that is slower/faster etc.) - inadvertently, this becomes incognito detection vector - people report the issue; the feature X is fixed - another thing is shipped which accidentally allows detecting incognito - ad infinitum
  - account42 6y ago
    > Tracking/detecting/fingerprinting/etc. is an arms race. Every feature a browser has (or could have and lacks), can be used as a variable to compile a tracking profile that identifies you and/or your general browser configuration (including but not limited to private mode). Which is exactly why Firefox needs to push back on adding more and more of those features, especially those that are not needed for websites (rather than applications).
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tupac_speedrap 6y ago
RIP in peace Flash
- Speednet 6y ago
  Rest In Peace in peace Flash
  - smcl 6y ago
    GP is likely aware of the correct form, “RIP in peace” is a light hearted online thing
  - johnnycerberus 6y ago
    It's a meme
    - 6equj5 6y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome
IvanK_net 6y ago
I am a creator of a web-based image editor www.Photopea.com and here are things I miss in Firefox (and why my users prefer to use Chrome): - impossible to put an image into a clipboard (so that user can e.g. paste it outside a browser) - no PWA mode (impossible to put an icon of a website to your homescreen, which will open the website without a browser UI) - impossible to have keyboard shortcuts with Alt https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130
- butz 6y ago
  Sadly, "PWA mode" (it probably should be called "Install to desktop") was being worked on under "Site Specific Browser (SSB)" name, but due to lacking resources work will be scrapped. More info here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1407202 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1407202
- joshuaissac 6y ago
  > no PWA mode (impossible to put an icon of a website to your homescreen, which will open the website without a browser UI) Firefox for Android has this. Are you referring to Firefox for desktop?
  - IvanK_net 6y ago
    I think a PWA mode is useful in all cases on all devices. But most of users use my program on desktops.
    - emayljames 6y ago
      On my Firefox Desktop on Manjaro Linux, I was able to save a link and set it to no toolbars. No magic settings done.
  - tweetle_beetle 6y ago
    The Firefox team has more or less said that the feature is not coming to desktop. I think a primitive version was hidden behind a flag, but even that is going to be dropped.
Aisen8010 6y ago
Firefox without tabs in mobile is a no-go, especially in a tablet. They did not put too much thought into this interface.
- recursive 6y ago
  It works well for me.
- Darmody 6y ago
  Firefox mobile has tabs. You can even have tabs in normal mode and other tabs in incognito mode.
- dralley 6y ago
  Firefox mobile has tabs, though?
  - iggldiggl 6y ago
    On tablets (and possibly large phones as well depending on your dpi settings), the pre-rewrite version had an actual tab interface similar to Desktop Firefox.
- wtetzner 6y ago
  What do you mean "without tabs"?
- shrew 6y ago
  Have you possibly installed Firefox Focus mistakenly? I purposely use this version to force myself to stop hoarding tabs, at least on mobile devices. It sounds as though the main version of mobile Firefox has tabs.
1996 6y ago
Edge on linux has a Samsung-like dark mode (invert colors, but respect pictures) that does not require any extension, just commandline flags. Anything like that on Firefox? If not, I'm not sure Firefox is currently the best option for any usecase - even on Linux.
- tester34 6y ago
  >Edge on linux has a Samsung-like dark mode (invert colors, but respect pictures) that does not require any extension, just commandline flags. >Anything like that on Firefox? Themes? I use the dark one
- nine_k 6y ago
  See Stylish extension and the "Universal dark mode" theme.
  - 1996 6y ago
    As I said, without an extension (can't trust them), so I guess the answer for firefox is no, it doesn't support that. Of course, it may display dark mode in sites that respect the system theme - it's the easy part. I don't mean that, because I don't want darkmode to be restricted to the few websites that respect my system settings: I want my browser to be "always dark", regardless of how cooperative or well (or badly) done the website is. Dark mode on Edge is forced on the website: if it doesn't support it, the colors are inverted - with no theme or CSS tweaking required. That's not rocket science, but still far better than anything I've seen on Firefox
    - frenchy 6y ago
      I haven't used the new Edge, but simply inverting the colors is going to give you a bad time, all your photos will look rather strange. Realistically, it would want to do something quite a bit more complicated than that. On simple websites, this sort of thing works well, but on compicated websites, it's a nightmare.
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SloopJon 6y ago
I haven't noticed Firefox for Enterprise before. At first I thought it was a new name for extended support release, but Enterprise is available in both ESR and the regular releases. I can't tell from the landing page what the difference is. Is this just about streamlining enterprise-wide deployment?
- ocdtrekkie 6y ago
  It's not a separate version, it's separate notes about how the new version (and new ESR) are likely to affect enterprise IT. It's explicitly where they put notes about changes to the Group Policy templates, for example.
  - extra88 6y ago
    Yes and Active Directory Group Policies are just one of the ways to distribute and enforce policies on Firefox, there's also macOS profiles and policies.json files for all versions. In my old job I used a policies.json file. Annoyingly, there wasn't a way to write path values in a platform-agnostic way (e.g. to specify download file location) so it was necessary to maintain two versions for macOS and Windows. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/firefox-enterprise/policies-customization-enterprise/policies-overview-enterprise https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/firefox-enterpris...
cortic 6y ago
Been stuck on waterfox since the password manager downgraded to 'Lockwise' (no field edits, no file imports). And since the great add-on reset i can't get a decent tree tabs that doesn't steal mouse focus from the main window.. So, yes, great, another version i probably won't be using.
- nine_k 6y ago
  Hmm, Tree Style Tabs worked quite well for me for years, never ever stealing focus.
  - cortic 6y ago
    Go to google, type something in, then try to select the text by click-dragging right to left, but keep dragging until the cursor is over the Tree Style Tabs, then release.. the page will not have registered the release and if you move the cursor over the page again it will deselect what you have just selected. Sounds like just a nuisance, and it is, but i use quick-keys with my mouse and it really messes with my workflow.
- icebraining 6y ago
  In case it's helpful, file imports to Lockwise can be enabled: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-login-data-file https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-login-data-file Not sure what do you mean by "field edits", I can edit the username/password just fine...?
  - cortic 6y ago
    Thanks, hopefully that will work for importing. A lot of websites confuse the field auto detect system, you go back to the page after saving password at login and FF can't find the fields, usually cause it didn't save the field names properly (you can see this in PasswordFox). The old password manager you could edit the field names as well as the U:P and URL fixing this problem. The new Lockwise basically turned 5 minutes of logging in to 25 minutes of copy and pasting for me..
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user3939382 6y ago
Even with all reporting and telemetry disabled Firefox sends network requests to Mozilla’s domains upon launch, providing Mozilla with usage tracking data. It would be nice if users who care about this could get Mozilla to honor its privacy claims and configuration settings.
- pornel 6y ago
  It's a big leap from "makes a request" to "provides tracking data". One doesn't necessary mean the other. It's even bigger leap to say that it's done in violation of stated privacy policies. For example, requests for software update have to go to Mozilla, but don't have any personal information, and are legitimately necessary.
  - psychoslave 6y ago
    Well, shouldn’t the user decide what is legitimate to take out of its behavior? It might be done without bad intentions, but do Mozilla ask consent before asking their users data about when they are using Firefox, and so that they are (possibly) in front of their screen.
    - sergeykish 6y ago
      Well, shouldn't browser be safe by default? Consent only required for personal data. Absence of visible settings suggests those who trade browser silence for safety is a minority, not target audience. It is open source, you can make own build.
  - inetknght 6y ago
    > It's a big leap from "makes a request" to "provides tracking data" No it isn't.
    - franga2000 6y ago
      Care to elaborate?
computronus 6y ago
The linked piece about the use of network partitioning to hamper supercookies is worth a read. https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/01/26/supercookie-protections/ https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/01/26/supercookie-pro... It's too bad that we'll have to trade off browser efficiency for privacy.
- Nicksil 6y ago
  HN discussion, as well https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25916513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25916513
taftster 6y ago
Supercookie protection! Thank you Mozilla team, the changes and focus you've made to protect user privacy in recent years has really been appreciated! https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/01/26/supercookie-protections/ https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/01/26/supercookie-pro...
- fsflover 6y ago
  Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25916513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25916513.
silicon2401 6y ago
My biggest gripe with firefox is how it tries to hold your session hostage to force you to update. This is absolutely a no-go in a professional context, in my opinion. One of the first things I do when setting up firefox on a personal machine is disable this forced update so I can actually control my computer and its applications, not have them control me.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  Can you elaborate? I've never been forced to update mid-session.
  - psychoslave 6y ago
    When Firefox autoupdate, it won’t let you open a new tab to browse elsewhere. You have to relaunch the application to find back a normal use case. Power users can disable it. For the less advanced users, impose that as default behavior as its pros and cons.
    - zinekeller 6y ago
      Are you on a Linux distro? The reason that this happens is because Firefox in Linux uses many internal libraries, some that are incompatible from one (even minor) version to the next due to the tight coupling of some of the libraries. Combine that with distro-managed updates, and the result is the restart dialog. Updates on Windows and macOS are different though, they are controlled by Firefox and you can delay updates even when the update is downloaded (Windows users might even see the loading bar associated with the update).
      - inetknght 6y ago
        > Are you on a Linux distro? The reason that this happens is because Firefox in Linux uses many internal libraries It happens because Firefox closes and re-opens libraries and permits an in-place update (and thus, breaking itself).
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CivBase 6y ago
> Firefox no longer supports Adobe Flash. There is no setting available to re-enable Flash support. It took half a decade, but it's finally done.
- uep 6y ago
  A ton of old web games and animations have suddenly just become inaccessible. I wonder if the flash player could be ported to webasm for legacy applications.
  - CivBase 6y ago
    They're still accessible, just not from modern browsers. You can still use an alternative player like Flashpoint. Anyone still relying on Flash to power a web interface is probably SOL though.
  - acdha 6y ago
    See https://github.com/ruffle-rs/ruffle https://github.com/ruffle-rs/ruffle and how the Internet Archive is using it: https://blog.archive.org/2020/11/19/flash-animations-live-forever-at-the-internet-archive/ https://blog.archive.org/2020/11/19/flash-animations-live-fo...
- saagarjha 6y ago
  I just came across a Flash video, on a Mozilla page on less…
tentacleuno 6y ago
"For that reason, we are continuously working to harden Firefox against online tracking of our users." https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/org.mozilla.firefox/latest/ https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/org.mozilla... Something like that.
- icebraining 6y ago
  Firefox lets you manually opt-in into their analytics, yes.
  - tentacleuno 6y ago
    It's opt-out. Feel free to check this yourself, instead of mindlessly defending Firefox. I'm tired of this exclusionary attitude on Hacker News, to be perfectly honest. There is absolutely no warning that this telemetry is active, which is a dark-pattern in itself. Looks like the Firefox mob have already got to this post. No wonder nothing is changing. -- tentacleuno
    - icebraining 6y ago
      You are right! My information was out of date. I just installed Firefox for Android (I generally use the Beta) and that crap was enabled by default. Sigh.
      - tentacleuno 6y ago
        I think it's now enabled by default with Fenix. Actually, I think it was enabled by default in the older one too?
- franga2000 6y ago
  Chrome/Edge/everything else: anybody and their dog can personally identifiy individuals on the Internet and then sell that information to advertisers who use it to psychologically manipulate you into buying things. There is no consent or opt-out. Mozilla: we've made sure people can't do any of that, but we collect anonymous statistics about how our own software is used. Oh, and we tell you about it and let you turn it off if you want. People: Mozilla is evil and doesn't actually respect privacy.
bugmen0t 6y ago
Most notable change: new privacy protections! https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/01/26/supercookie-protections/ https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/01/26/supercookie-pro...
- Nicksil 6y ago
  HN discussion on this topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25916513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25916513
aclelland 6y ago
I always try Firefox every 6 months or so but end up going back to a Chromium based browser after a few days. It's never anything major but for example this issue with the address bar suggesting the root domain instead of the pages I actually visit drives me nuts - https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/a2wz6x/firefox_address_bars_autocomplete_incorrectly/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/a2wz6x/firefox_add... I'm glad they're continuing to improve the browser, maybe this update will be the one that convinces me to switch!
- abyssin 6y ago
  I've had this issue when I switched back to Firefox one year ago, but now I have this sequence in my muscle memory: ctrl + l to focus the address bar, tab to highlight first result, enter to load it.
- xxpor 6y ago
  Ack, no, I want the behavior described in the link! I hate that chrome goes deep into sites :D
daveFNbuck 6y ago
Every time I see one of these, I try to switch from the beta version to the stable version. I download the latest stable version, quit my browser, copy it to my applications folder, double-click, accept the warning that I'm running new software downloaded from the internet, and find myself in the next beta version. Is there a way to switch from beta to stable without losing my profile?
- fckthisguy 6y ago
  You shouldn't need to jump through hoops of you're not already running the _next_ beta. I believe there's a beta switch in the general settings menu.
  - daveFNbuck 6y ago
    I'm not running the next beta. I've checked the general settings menu. I don't see the beta switch.
- newscracker 6y ago
  If you want to go back and forth between release and beta on a single profile, that’s not recommended. If you want to switch your current beta profile permanently to an installation of the stable release, you can do that from the terminal (command line) by running the Firefox executable with the -p parameter to select a profile. The documentation has instructions on where the profile is located and how to find which profile is used.
  - daveFNbuck 6y ago
    I just want to switch one time. I got on the beta like a year ago when the current version was unstable, and I've been trying to get back to release since that version was released. Where can I find this documentation? How do I install the stable release to port the profile to? Every attempt I've made results in me still having the beta version.
    - bhaile 6y ago
sudhirkhanger 6y ago
>It’s easier than ever to save and access your bookmarks. Firefox now remembers your preferred location for saved bookmarks, displays the bookmarks toolbar by default on new tabs, and gives you easy access to all of your bookmarks via a toolbar folder. I don't see a lot of use of Bookmarks toolbar, bookmarks menu, and other bookmarks when there can be simply bookmarks and other bookmarks like Chrome. Bookmark toolbar makes menu utterly useless. I would rather have toolbar and an extension that displays those bookmarks toolbar in a similar way as menu to avoid added cognitive load.
xxpor 6y ago
I want to use firefox but I have a very stupid problem that makes it extremely annoying: I have to use federation to login to slack. When Slack opens a page in the browser, that works fine, but then once I'm signed in it takes me to the web interface rather than opening the native client back up. This isn't a tech support forum obviously but if someone had a hint of where to look, that'd be really helpful. I'm on ubuntu running i3.
- 1986 6y ago
  Maybe need to modify your xdg-open settings for the slack:// scheme?
- jamestenglish 6y ago
  Not on ubuntu but looked up in my settings how it is handled: Preferences -> General -> Applications Content Type: slack Action: Use Slack Do you have that setting?
- wejick 6y ago
  Maybe not helpful for you I use slack as pinned tab on Firefox, and it runs OK. It's easier for me when doing context switching since most of my works are on the browser.
WC3w6pXxgGd 6y ago
There is 0 chance I will be using Firefox after this insane blog post. I've sent this to many people, who are now using Brave. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-d...
51Cards 6y ago
Just a note for anyone who may see it. Something changed in the UI CSS such that some of my customizations around the bookmark bar no longer worked. There seems to be a new option called "Show Other Bookmarks" that was enabled causing the entire bookmark bar to become one large clickable item. Disabling that restored the bookmark bar functionality. I'll have to investigate my user CSS file to see if I can figure out what changed.
tsujp 6y ago
I don't know about anyone else (perhaps this is more common than just me) but being able to prettify that minified single-line JS bundle in-browser now removes a solid 3-5 clicks and a few keystrokes; and all it cost me was 1 click to update Firefox! According to xkcd this is a productivity win-win! Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1205/ https://xkcd.com/1205/
skrap 6y ago
I am having a really hard time holding onto Firefox as my mobile (Android) browser. The interface takes several taps all over the display to accomplish basic tasks. For example: Looking at a site and want to open your "hacker news" top site in a new tab? 1) Scroll up until you trigger the top bar reveal 2) Tap the boxed number button next to the address bar 3) Way at the bottom of the display, tap (+) to open a new tab 4) At this point the keyboard appears with the address bar focused. I don't want that, so tap in the tab home screen background where Top Sites can be seen 5) Tap on hacker news "top site" That's 5 gestures, each in a new area of the screen, just to open a web site. Palm Pilot famously put nearly every common feature in the entire OS within 3 taps of the home screen. I really hope Mozilla can do better than this!
- colejohnson66 6y ago
  Weird. On iOS, it’s: (1) scroll down a tiny bit to reveal bottom bar (2) tap the box with the tab count (3) tap “+” (4) tap HN Both (2) and (3) are at the bottom of the screen, and (1) can be done near the bottom. (4) is the only one with a reach up to the top. Which leaves the question: why are the UIs between the two platforms different?
  - extra88 6y ago
    > why are the UIs between the two platforms different? I think there's been greater emphasis on conforming to the HID guidance and conventions on different platforms rather than consistency in the same app on different platforms.
  - graton 6y ago
    My Android version does the same, but I did change the location of the toolbar to bottom in the settings.
  - bartvk 6y ago
    The UI is different in other ways as well. One of the replies mentioned a setting to turn off hiding toolbars when you scroll. But I can't find it on iOS. In and of itself, I don't find it strange that the UI is different between platforms. That's called being a good citizen on a platform. In fact I wish they'd do it more. For instance, on macOS I'd expect close buttons for tabs in the top left.
hedgehog 6y ago
Firefox performance has gotten quite good but scrolling still isn't right. On Mac subjectively it feels like it's delayed around 1-2 frames compared to Safari. I've read some of the tickets for APZ etc and it doesn't feel like anything obvious is getting neglected. Does anyone here know more about this?
- 1_player 6y ago
  IIRC the Firefox mouse scrolling/acceleration factors are quite off on macOS. I remember tweaking them to make scrolling feel much better. Sorry I'm not on macOS any longer, I don't remember what I changed exactly.
2T1Qka0rEiPr 6y ago
I love all of the work that Mozilla do to make the web a better, more privacy focused place. A little time tinge of disappointment though, is that the new Firefox for Android doesn't work at all with Lastpass' autofill. I've tried to find bug reports (https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/fenix/issues/9773 https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/fenix/issues/9773) but they don't give me a clear indication as to whether it's being worked on or not. Unfortunately degrades my experience to the point of using other browsers. It doesn't seem like the old Firefox is available via the Play store in the meantime either? It's probably inevitable when you release a completely new version of something, but the small, missing features immediately become obvious/upsetting!
grahamjperrin 6y ago
Extensions placed in the Bookmarks Toolbar: excessive bar width in Firefox 85 : FirefoxCSS https://new.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/l5ikzu/extensions_placed_in_the_bookmarks_toolbar/ https://new.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/l5ikzu/extensio... > – The excessive width might be caused by dead space that's intended for the Other Bookmarks button, which I will not use. …

Firefox 85

488 points by amake 6y ago

jonny383 6y ago

Slow release. Conscequence of firing engineering team and focusing on politics?

tentacleuno 6y ago
I really wish they would stop focusing on politics too. Now their latest political stunt has got heads rolling, hopefully Mozilla will learn that their money is best invested into Firefox.
- war1025 6y ago
  > Now their latest political stunt has got heads rolling Care to elaborate? I assume the "political stunt" part was related to all the Trump deplatforming stuff a few weeks back. Hadn't heard anything related to anyone actually getting any pushback for it though.
  - tentacleuno 6y ago
    Sorry about the late reply. The Firefox apologist mob managed to get me shadow banned with the unjust down-votes, lol. A lot of people uninstalled Firefox because of Mozilla's politically-fueled 'disinformation' post on their blog. I don't blame them. I worry that Pocket will have these mysterious AI's enabled to defeat 'disinformation', which is why I actively avoid it. -- Tentacles
    - franga2000 6y ago
      > "the Firefox apologist mob" You can't possibly be serious....
LukeShu 6y ago
Releases happen monthly, often this late in the month: 80 was on the 25th 79 was on the 28th 78 was on the 30th

axelfontaine 6y ago

input_sh 6y ago
I'm hoping for <iframe loading="lazy"> in the next few releases!
tentacleuno 6y ago
Wait, what? Only now they've added this?
- kevingadd 6y ago
  Preload was pretty broken in Chrome for quite a while (I'm still not sure whether they fixed the issues, actually) so it's possible there wasn't ever much pressure to implement it
- hinkley 6y ago
  According to MDN, Safari 14 is the first to support preload.

whalesalad 6y ago

Every software vendor could learn a thing or two from the great presentation of FFX release notes.

shrewdcomputer 6y ago
I know it's not the important part of this post but their presentation really is good. Particularly the security fixes. Easy to find case numbers, impact levels and clear descriptions. All with decent spacing that makes the page feel clear and legible.
koheripbal 6y ago
This is one of the reasons I love Factorio. The release notes are so interesting, they're actually part of the game's experience.
Y-bar 6y ago
Yes! This is also why I think Sparkle [https://sparkle-project.org/ https://sparkle-project.org/] is one of the best things about the Mac application ecosystem. Edit: Should mention why, because it presents a consistent, and clear, UI for users and it encourages developers to write release notes.
Schlaefer 6y ago
Alas the amount of information is very small. These release notes usually only cover a fraction and somewhat arbitrary set of changes. In the past you could look up changes here [1], but updates there stopped a while ago. [1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Roadmap/Updates https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Roadmap/Updates

eitland 6y ago

Always a good thing. That said, I downloaded Pale Moon yesterday and tested it briefly: installed TST and one or two other extensions, visited a few ordinary sites. Even after all those years it still feel good. It is snappy and the lack of a noisy tab bar on the top in addition to TST is actually a huge deal! So my question for anyone from Mozilla who steps in here: when will you start fixing the extension API? I get it the new API is more secure, but there is nothing that prevents making tab positions configurable in a safe way. Also, could someone please fix that nasty UX bug that some UX designer introduced a decade or so ago where - if you select the tiniest thing on the page - the navigation buttons disappear from the context menus. After a decade or more this inconsistency still annoys me.

LandR 6y ago
You can get rid of the top tab and pretty much everything else by editing the chrome.css files. The problem is updates break it frequently. https://imgur.com/BPDN1uP https://imgur.com/BPDN1uP The tabs expand on mouse-over: https://imgur.com/7iCYykg https://imgur.com/7iCYykg
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- eitland 6y ago
  > The problem is updates break it frequently. And IIRC they have expressed intent to remove this possibility completely.
  - kibwen 6y ago
    Source?
    - bartvk 6y ago
      Isn't it obvious? Since Firefox 69 or so, loading of userChrome.css and userContent.css is turned off by default, and must be explicitly enabled in about:config. Which is where features go to die.

tester34 6y ago

Why is it possible to detect whether you're using private mode or not? it's terrible, js shouldn't be aware of stuff like this.

lucideer 6y ago
There is no dedicated feature in js to detect private mode: private mode detection is done using a collection of innovative hacks and misuses of features. Tracking/detecting/fingerprinting/etc. is an arms race. Every feature a browser has (or could have and lacks), can be used as a variable to compile a tracking profile that identifies you and/or your general browser configuration (including but not limited to private mode). The biggest one of these though is something private mode can't control: IP. For that you need something like Tor or a VPN.
- tester34 6y ago
  IP may be very unreliable, so for some people it'd work pretty fine
- jakub_g 6y ago
  Like the parent said, typically it works like: - browser ships a feature X - they decide that X shouldn't be allowed in incognito (or that incognito mode returns fewer values, has lower quotas, uses different implementation that is slower/faster etc.) - inadvertently, this becomes incognito detection vector - people report the issue; the feature X is fixed - another thing is shipped which accidentally allows detecting incognito - ad infinitum
- account42 6y ago
  > Tracking/detecting/fingerprinting/etc. is an arms race. Every feature a browser has (or could have and lacks), can be used as a variable to compile a tracking profile that identifies you and/or your general browser configuration (including but not limited to private mode). Which is exactly why Firefox needs to push back on adding more and more of those features, especially those that are not needed for websites (rather than applications).

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tupac_speedrap 6y ago

RIP in peace Flash

Speednet 6y ago
Rest In Peace in peace Flash
- smcl 6y ago
  GP is likely aware of the correct form, “RIP in peace” is a light hearted online thing
- johnnycerberus 6y ago
  It's a meme
  - 6equj5 6y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome

IvanK_net 6y ago

I am a creator of a web-based image editor www.Photopea.com and here are things I miss in Firefox (and why my users prefer to use Chrome): - impossible to put an image into a clipboard (so that user can e.g. paste it outside a browser) - no PWA mode (impossible to put an icon of a website to your homescreen, which will open the website without a browser UI) - impossible to have keyboard shortcuts with Alt https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568130

butz 6y ago
Sadly, "PWA mode" (it probably should be called "Install to desktop") was being worked on under "Site Specific Browser (SSB)" name, but due to lacking resources work will be scrapped. More info here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1407202 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1407202
joshuaissac 6y ago
> no PWA mode (impossible to put an icon of a website to your homescreen, which will open the website without a browser UI) Firefox for Android has this. Are you referring to Firefox for desktop?
- IvanK_net 6y ago
  I think a PWA mode is useful in all cases on all devices. But most of users use my program on desktops.
  - emayljames 6y ago
    On my Firefox Desktop on Manjaro Linux, I was able to save a link and set it to no toolbars. No magic settings done.
- tweetle_beetle 6y ago
  The Firefox team has more or less said that the feature is not coming to desktop. I think a primitive version was hidden behind a flag, but even that is going to be dropped.

Aisen8010 6y ago

Firefox without tabs in mobile is a no-go, especially in a tablet. They did not put too much thought into this interface.

recursive 6y ago
It works well for me.
Darmody 6y ago
Firefox mobile has tabs. You can even have tabs in normal mode and other tabs in incognito mode.
dralley 6y ago
Firefox mobile has tabs, though?
- iggldiggl 6y ago
  On tablets (and possibly large phones as well depending on your dpi settings), the pre-rewrite version had an actual tab interface similar to Desktop Firefox.
wtetzner 6y ago
What do you mean "without tabs"?
shrew 6y ago
Have you possibly installed Firefox Focus mistakenly? I purposely use this version to force myself to stop hoarding tabs, at least on mobile devices. It sounds as though the main version of mobile Firefox has tabs.

1996 6y ago

Edge on linux has a Samsung-like dark mode (invert colors, but respect pictures) that does not require any extension, just commandline flags. Anything like that on Firefox? If not, I'm not sure Firefox is currently the best option for any usecase - even on Linux.

tester34 6y ago
>Edge on linux has a Samsung-like dark mode (invert colors, but respect pictures) that does not require any extension, just commandline flags. >Anything like that on Firefox? Themes? I use the dark one
nine_k 6y ago
See Stylish extension and the "Universal dark mode" theme.
- 1996 6y ago
  As I said, without an extension (can't trust them), so I guess the answer for firefox is no, it doesn't support that. Of course, it may display dark mode in sites that respect the system theme - it's the easy part. I don't mean that, because I don't want darkmode to be restricted to the few websites that respect my system settings: I want my browser to be "always dark", regardless of how cooperative or well (or badly) done the website is. Dark mode on Edge is forced on the website: if it doesn't support it, the colors are inverted - with no theme or CSS tweaking required. That's not rocket science, but still far better than anything I've seen on Firefox
  - frenchy 6y ago
    I haven't used the new Edge, but simply inverting the colors is going to give you a bad time, all your photos will look rather strange. Realistically, it would want to do something quite a bit more complicated than that. On simple websites, this sort of thing works well, but on compicated websites, it's a nightmare.
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SloopJon 6y ago

I haven't noticed Firefox for Enterprise before. At first I thought it was a new name for extended support release, but Enterprise is available in both ESR and the regular releases. I can't tell from the landing page what the difference is. Is this just about streamlining enterprise-wide deployment?

ocdtrekkie 6y ago
It's not a separate version, it's separate notes about how the new version (and new ESR) are likely to affect enterprise IT. It's explicitly where they put notes about changes to the Group Policy templates, for example.
- extra88 6y ago
  Yes and Active Directory Group Policies are just one of the ways to distribute and enforce policies on Firefox, there's also macOS profiles and policies.json files for all versions. In my old job I used a policies.json file. Annoyingly, there wasn't a way to write path values in a platform-agnostic way (e.g. to specify download file location) so it was necessary to maintain two versions for macOS and Windows. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/firefox-enterprise/policies-customization-enterprise/policies-overview-enterprise https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/firefox-enterpris...

cortic 6y ago

Been stuck on waterfox since the password manager downgraded to 'Lockwise' (no field edits, no file imports). And since the great add-on reset i can't get a decent tree tabs that doesn't steal mouse focus from the main window.. So, yes, great, another version i probably won't be using.

nine_k 6y ago
Hmm, Tree Style Tabs worked quite well for me for years, never ever stealing focus.
- cortic 6y ago
  Go to google, type something in, then try to select the text by click-dragging right to left, but keep dragging until the cursor is over the Tree Style Tabs, then release.. the page will not have registered the release and if you move the cursor over the page again it will deselect what you have just selected. Sounds like just a nuisance, and it is, but i use quick-keys with my mouse and it really messes with my workflow.
icebraining 6y ago
In case it's helpful, file imports to Lockwise can be enabled: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-login-data-file https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-login-data-file Not sure what do you mean by "field edits", I can edit the username/password just fine...?
- cortic 6y ago
  Thanks, hopefully that will work for importing. A lot of websites confuse the field auto detect system, you go back to the page after saving password at login and FF can't find the fields, usually cause it didn't save the field names properly (you can see this in PasswordFox). The old password manager you could edit the field names as well as the U:P and URL fixing this problem. The new Lockwise basically turned 5 minutes of logging in to 25 minutes of copy and pasting for me..
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user3939382 6y ago

Even with all reporting and telemetry disabled Firefox sends network requests to Mozilla’s domains upon launch, providing Mozilla with usage tracking data. It would be nice if users who care about this could get Mozilla to honor its privacy claims and configuration settings.

pornel 6y ago
It's a big leap from "makes a request" to "provides tracking data". One doesn't necessary mean the other. It's even bigger leap to say that it's done in violation of stated privacy policies. For example, requests for software update have to go to Mozilla, but don't have any personal information, and are legitimately necessary.
- psychoslave 6y ago
  Well, shouldn’t the user decide what is legitimate to take out of its behavior? It might be done without bad intentions, but do Mozilla ask consent before asking their users data about when they are using Firefox, and so that they are (possibly) in front of their screen.
  - sergeykish 6y ago
    Well, shouldn't browser be safe by default? Consent only required for personal data. Absence of visible settings suggests those who trade browser silence for safety is a minority, not target audience. It is open source, you can make own build.
- inetknght 6y ago
  > It's a big leap from "makes a request" to "provides tracking data" No it isn't.
  - franga2000 6y ago
    Care to elaborate?

computronus 6y ago

The linked piece about the use of network partitioning to hamper supercookies is worth a read. https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/01/26/supercookie-protections/ https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/01/26/supercookie-pro... It's too bad that we'll have to trade off browser efficiency for privacy.

Nicksil 6y ago
HN discussion, as well https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25916513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25916513

taftster 6y ago

Supercookie protection! Thank you Mozilla team, the changes and focus you've made to protect user privacy in recent years has really been appreciated! https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/01/26/supercookie-protections/ https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/01/26/supercookie-pro...

fsflover 6y ago
Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25916513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25916513.

silicon2401 6y ago

My biggest gripe with firefox is how it tries to hold your session hostage to force you to update. This is absolutely a no-go in a professional context, in my opinion. One of the first things I do when setting up firefox on a personal machine is disable this forced update so I can actually control my computer and its applications, not have them control me.

ceejayoz 6y ago
Can you elaborate? I've never been forced to update mid-session.
- psychoslave 6y ago
  When Firefox autoupdate, it won’t let you open a new tab to browse elsewhere. You have to relaunch the application to find back a normal use case. Power users can disable it. For the less advanced users, impose that as default behavior as its pros and cons.
  - zinekeller 6y ago
    Are you on a Linux distro? The reason that this happens is because Firefox in Linux uses many internal libraries, some that are incompatible from one (even minor) version to the next due to the tight coupling of some of the libraries. Combine that with distro-managed updates, and the result is the restart dialog. Updates on Windows and macOS are different though, they are controlled by Firefox and you can delay updates even when the update is downloaded (Windows users might even see the loading bar associated with the update).
    - inetknght 6y ago
      > Are you on a Linux distro? The reason that this happens is because Firefox in Linux uses many internal libraries It happens because Firefox closes and re-opens libraries and permits an in-place update (and thus, breaking itself).
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CivBase 6y ago

> Firefox no longer supports Adobe Flash. There is no setting available to re-enable Flash support. It took half a decade, but it's finally done.

uep 6y ago
A ton of old web games and animations have suddenly just become inaccessible. I wonder if the flash player could be ported to webasm for legacy applications.
- CivBase 6y ago
  They're still accessible, just not from modern browsers. You can still use an alternative player like Flashpoint. Anyone still relying on Flash to power a web interface is probably SOL though.
- acdha 6y ago
  See https://github.com/ruffle-rs/ruffle https://github.com/ruffle-rs/ruffle and how the Internet Archive is using it: https://blog.archive.org/2020/11/19/flash-animations-live-forever-at-the-internet-archive/ https://blog.archive.org/2020/11/19/flash-animations-live-fo...
saagarjha 6y ago
I just came across a Flash video, on a Mozilla page on less…

tentacleuno 6y ago

"For that reason, we are continuously working to harden Firefox against online tracking of our users." https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/org.mozilla.firefox/latest/ https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/org.mozilla... Something like that.

icebraining 6y ago
Firefox lets you manually opt-in into their analytics, yes.
- tentacleuno 6y ago
  It's opt-out. Feel free to check this yourself, instead of mindlessly defending Firefox. I'm tired of this exclusionary attitude on Hacker News, to be perfectly honest. There is absolutely no warning that this telemetry is active, which is a dark-pattern in itself. Looks like the Firefox mob have already got to this post. No wonder nothing is changing. -- tentacleuno
  - icebraining 6y ago
    You are right! My information was out of date. I just installed Firefox for Android (I generally use the Beta) and that crap was enabled by default. Sigh.
    - tentacleuno 6y ago
      I think it's now enabled by default with Fenix. Actually, I think it was enabled by default in the older one too?
franga2000 6y ago
Chrome/Edge/everything else: anybody and their dog can personally identifiy individuals on the Internet and then sell that information to advertisers who use it to psychologically manipulate you into buying things. There is no consent or opt-out. Mozilla: we've made sure people can't do any of that, but we collect anonymous statistics about how our own software is used. Oh, and we tell you about it and let you turn it off if you want. People: Mozilla is evil and doesn't actually respect privacy.

bugmen0t 6y ago

Most notable change: new privacy protections! https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/01/26/supercookie-protections/ https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/01/26/supercookie-pro...

Nicksil 6y ago
HN discussion on this topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25916513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25916513

aclelland 6y ago

I always try Firefox every 6 months or so but end up going back to a Chromium based browser after a few days. It's never anything major but for example this issue with the address bar suggesting the root domain instead of the pages I actually visit drives me nuts - https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/a2wz6x/firefox_address_bars_autocomplete_incorrectly/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/a2wz6x/firefox_add... I'm glad they're continuing to improve the browser, maybe this update will be the one that convinces me to switch!

abyssin 6y ago
I've had this issue when I switched back to Firefox one year ago, but now I have this sequence in my muscle memory: ctrl + l to focus the address bar, tab to highlight first result, enter to load it.
xxpor 6y ago
Ack, no, I want the behavior described in the link! I hate that chrome goes deep into sites :D

daveFNbuck 6y ago

Every time I see one of these, I try to switch from the beta version to the stable version. I download the latest stable version, quit my browser, copy it to my applications folder, double-click, accept the warning that I'm running new software downloaded from the internet, and find myself in the next beta version. Is there a way to switch from beta to stable without losing my profile?

fckthisguy 6y ago
You shouldn't need to jump through hoops of you're not already running the _next_ beta. I believe there's a beta switch in the general settings menu.
- daveFNbuck 6y ago
  I'm not running the next beta. I've checked the general settings menu. I don't see the beta switch.
newscracker 6y ago
If you want to go back and forth between release and beta on a single profile, that’s not recommended. If you want to switch your current beta profile permanently to an installation of the stable release, you can do that from the terminal (command line) by running the Firefox executable with the -p parameter to select a profile. The documentation has instructions on where the profile is located and how to find which profile is used.
- daveFNbuck 6y ago
  I just want to switch one time. I got on the beta like a year ago when the current version was unstable, and I've been trying to get back to release since that version was released. Where can I find this documentation? How do I install the stable release to port the profile to? Every attempt I've made results in me still having the beta version.
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sudhirkhanger 6y ago

>It’s easier than ever to save and access your bookmarks. Firefox now remembers your preferred location for saved bookmarks, displays the bookmarks toolbar by default on new tabs, and gives you easy access to all of your bookmarks via a toolbar folder. I don't see a lot of use of Bookmarks toolbar, bookmarks menu, and other bookmarks when there can be simply bookmarks and other bookmarks like Chrome. Bookmark toolbar makes menu utterly useless. I would rather have toolbar and an extension that displays those bookmarks toolbar in a similar way as menu to avoid added cognitive load.

xxpor 6y ago

I want to use firefox but I have a very stupid problem that makes it extremely annoying: I have to use federation to login to slack. When Slack opens a page in the browser, that works fine, but then once I'm signed in it takes me to the web interface rather than opening the native client back up. This isn't a tech support forum obviously but if someone had a hint of where to look, that'd be really helpful. I'm on ubuntu running i3.

1986 6y ago
Maybe need to modify your xdg-open settings for the slack:// scheme?
jamestenglish 6y ago
Not on ubuntu but looked up in my settings how it is handled: Preferences -> General -> Applications Content Type: slack Action: Use Slack Do you have that setting?
wejick 6y ago
Maybe not helpful for you I use slack as pinned tab on Firefox, and it runs OK. It's easier for me when doing context switching since most of my works are on the browser.

WC3w6pXxgGd 6y ago

There is 0 chance I will be using Firefox after this insane blog post. I've sent this to many people, who are now using Brave. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-d...

51Cards 6y ago

Just a note for anyone who may see it. Something changed in the UI CSS such that some of my customizations around the bookmark bar no longer worked. There seems to be a new option called "Show Other Bookmarks" that was enabled causing the entire bookmark bar to become one large clickable item. Disabling that restored the bookmark bar functionality. I'll have to investigate my user CSS file to see if I can figure out what changed.

tsujp 6y ago

I don't know about anyone else (perhaps this is more common than just me) but being able to prettify that minified single-line JS bundle in-browser now removes a solid 3-5 clicks and a few keystrokes; and all it cost me was 1 click to update Firefox! According to xkcd this is a productivity win-win! Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1205/ https://xkcd.com/1205/

skrap 6y ago

I am having a really hard time holding onto Firefox as my mobile (Android) browser. The interface takes several taps all over the display to accomplish basic tasks. For example: Looking at a site and want to open your "hacker news" top site in a new tab? 1) Scroll up until you trigger the top bar reveal 2) Tap the boxed number button next to the address bar 3) Way at the bottom of the display, tap (+) to open a new tab 4) At this point the keyboard appears with the address bar focused. I don't want that, so tap in the tab home screen background where Top Sites can be seen 5) Tap on hacker news "top site" That's 5 gestures, each in a new area of the screen, just to open a web site. Palm Pilot famously put nearly every common feature in the entire OS within 3 taps of the home screen. I really hope Mozilla can do better than this!

colejohnson66 6y ago
Weird. On iOS, it’s: (1) scroll down a tiny bit to reveal bottom bar (2) tap the box with the tab count (3) tap “+” (4) tap HN Both (2) and (3) are at the bottom of the screen, and (1) can be done near the bottom. (4) is the only one with a reach up to the top. Which leaves the question: why are the UIs between the two platforms different?
- extra88 6y ago
  > why are the UIs between the two platforms different? I think there's been greater emphasis on conforming to the HID guidance and conventions on different platforms rather than consistency in the same app on different platforms.
- graton 6y ago
  My Android version does the same, but I did change the location of the toolbar to bottom in the settings.
- bartvk 6y ago
  The UI is different in other ways as well. One of the replies mentioned a setting to turn off hiding toolbars when you scroll. But I can't find it on iOS. In and of itself, I don't find it strange that the UI is different between platforms. That's called being a good citizen on a platform. In fact I wish they'd do it more. For instance, on macOS I'd expect close buttons for tabs in the top left.

hedgehog 6y ago

Firefox performance has gotten quite good but scrolling still isn't right. On Mac subjectively it feels like it's delayed around 1-2 frames compared to Safari. I've read some of the tickets for APZ etc and it doesn't feel like anything obvious is getting neglected. Does anyone here know more about this?

1_player 6y ago
IIRC the Firefox mouse scrolling/acceleration factors are quite off on macOS. I remember tweaking them to make scrolling feel much better. Sorry I'm not on macOS any longer, I don't remember what I changed exactly.

2T1Qka0rEiPr 6y ago

I love all of the work that Mozilla do to make the web a better, more privacy focused place. A little time tinge of disappointment though, is that the new Firefox for Android doesn't work at all with Lastpass' autofill. I've tried to find bug reports (https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/fenix/issues/9773 https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/fenix/issues/9773) but they don't give me a clear indication as to whether it's being worked on or not. Unfortunately degrades my experience to the point of using other browsers. It doesn't seem like the old Firefox is available via the Play store in the meantime either? It's probably inevitable when you release a completely new version of something, but the small, missing features immediately become obvious/upsetting!

grahamjperrin 6y ago

Extensions placed in the Bookmarks Toolbar: excessive bar width in Firefox 85 : FirefoxCSS https://new.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/l5ikzu/extensions_placed_in_the_bookmarks_toolbar/ https://new.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/l5ikzu/extensio... > – The excessive width might be caused by dead space that's intended for the Other Bookmarks button, which I will not use. …