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You're operating off of the false assumption that evolution contradicts the existence of a God.

by brink 6y ago

ashishmax31 6y ago
Yes, but we already know about the rules which govern evolution, its the laws of physics.
- brink 6y ago
  We have no idea where those come from either.
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  - tim333 6y ago
    Nah I think I've sussed it.
  - anthk 6y ago
    No, you have no idea if god exists to begin with. Thus, leave the phantasies out and stick to the real things we are proving today.
    - kaba0 6y ago
      First of all, I though we are past the time where attacking other’s beliefs is acceptable. Second, have you ever heard of this thing called philosophy? It is not useless to think about the word in an abstract way - without necessary relevance to the physical world. Like, what IS math? By the way, I do not approve of those believer that go against science, since I think belief and actual reality can go hand-in-hand, and even with God, or perhaps because of Him, one can appreciate the beauty of sciences.
      - anthk 6y ago
        Beliefs do not reserve respect, at all. Just people do. I'll respect you, not your beliefs. >what IS math? Relations between proportions. There's no magic. Also, Science never can't go side by side with superstition. Ever.
        kaba0 6y ago
        You can’t really respect another person if you disrespect his/her religion.. Math is not that easy. How does something like eg. Group Theory fits into this “definition”? And yet, it is useful to the real world. Superstition is not religion.
        LocalH 6y ago
        I respect beliefs that aren't pushed on someone. For example, I have a working idea of the universe with regards to sprituality that involves neither science nor religion. I don't push that belief on others, I only offer it when my opinion is asked, and I discuss it with an open mind towards the idea that I might be completely wrong. That type of belief should absolutely be respected.
- f6v 6y ago
  If we start from a primitive prokaryote, we pretty much nailed it. However, there's no experimentally verified theory of going from organic molecules to life.
spacemark 6y ago
It doesn't contradict all gods, but it does explicitly contradict most gods, or at least what most in the western world mean when they say "God."
- f6v 6y ago
  To play the devil's advocate, suppose we show that organic life can spontaneously emerge from basic building blocks under certain conditions. Even then, there's a chance that those conditions were not present on Earth when life appeared here. It might be the case that a God had to artificially create them. And the first life was here billions of years ago, chances are we can't ever be sure.
- brink 6y ago
  I'm Christian, and I believe in evolution, the big bang, old earth.. They're not contradictory. There are actually a lot of Christians who believe in those things. CS Lewis believed in an old earth while also believing in God. I usually try avoid religious debates on HN though.
  - spacemark 6y ago
    Belief has nothing to do with forming and testing hypotheses. You don't "believe" in evolution or the big bang or an old earth. Scientific inquiry 101. And sure, I get your overall point. I was Christian until age 26. I worked two years as a missionary in a foreign country, 90hr weeks, no pay, for my Christian beliefs. What "God" meant to everyone I encountered throughout that time, before, and after, is/was always a bit different. Ultimately we create our own personal God, and what that means can be compatible with honest and rigorous scientific inquiry. But you have to throw out large portions of the bible and accept that it's largely a work of art and useful fiction, and I will place $1000 down on a bet that the vast majority of "Christians" would bristle at such ideas. But yeah, best to stay away from discussions of religion with anyone except your closest friends. Even then it's usually ill advised unless you have hours to sift through the nuance and are very good communicators.
    - 6y ago

You're operating off of the false assumption that evolution contradicts the existence of a God.

by brink 6y ago

You're operating off of the false assumption that evolution contradicts the existence of a God.

ashishmax31 6y ago

Yes, but we already know about the rules which govern evolution, its the laws of physics.

brink 6y ago
We have no idea where those come from either.
- deleted 6y ago
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- tim333 6y ago
  Nah I think I've sussed it.
- anthk 6y ago
  No, you have no idea if god exists to begin with. Thus, leave the phantasies out and stick to the real things we are proving today.
  - kaba0 6y ago
    First of all, I though we are past the time where attacking other’s beliefs is acceptable. Second, have you ever heard of this thing called philosophy? It is not useless to think about the word in an abstract way - without necessary relevance to the physical world. Like, what IS math? By the way, I do not approve of those believer that go against science, since I think belief and actual reality can go hand-in-hand, and even with God, or perhaps because of Him, one can appreciate the beauty of sciences.
    - anthk 6y ago
      Beliefs do not reserve respect, at all. Just people do. I'll respect you, not your beliefs. >what IS math? Relations between proportions. There's no magic. Also, Science never can't go side by side with superstition. Ever.
      - kaba0 6y ago
        You can’t really respect another person if you disrespect his/her religion.. Math is not that easy. How does something like eg. Group Theory fits into this “definition”? And yet, it is useful to the real world. Superstition is not religion.
      - LocalH 6y ago
        I respect beliefs that aren't pushed on someone. For example, I have a working idea of the universe with regards to sprituality that involves neither science nor religion. I don't push that belief on others, I only offer it when my opinion is asked, and I discuss it with an open mind towards the idea that I might be completely wrong. That type of belief should absolutely be respected.
f6v 6y ago
If we start from a primitive prokaryote, we pretty much nailed it. However, there's no experimentally verified theory of going from organic molecules to life.

spacemark 6y ago

It doesn't contradict all gods, but it does explicitly contradict most gods, or at least what most in the western world mean when they say "God."

f6v 6y ago
To play the devil's advocate, suppose we show that organic life can spontaneously emerge from basic building blocks under certain conditions. Even then, there's a chance that those conditions were not present on Earth when life appeared here. It might be the case that a God had to artificially create them. And the first life was here billions of years ago, chances are we can't ever be sure.
brink 6y ago
I'm Christian, and I believe in evolution, the big bang, old earth.. They're not contradictory. There are actually a lot of Christians who believe in those things. CS Lewis believed in an old earth while also believing in God. I usually try avoid religious debates on HN though.
- spacemark 6y ago
  Belief has nothing to do with forming and testing hypotheses. You don't "believe" in evolution or the big bang or an old earth. Scientific inquiry 101. And sure, I get your overall point. I was Christian until age 26. I worked two years as a missionary in a foreign country, 90hr weeks, no pay, for my Christian beliefs. What "God" meant to everyone I encountered throughout that time, before, and after, is/was always a bit different. Ultimately we create our own personal God, and what that means can be compatible with honest and rigorous scientific inquiry. But you have to throw out large portions of the bible and accept that it's largely a work of art and useful fiction, and I will place $1000 down on a bet that the vast majority of "Christians" would bristle at such ideas. But yeah, best to stay away from discussions of religion with anyone except your closest friends. Even then it's usually ill advised unless you have hours to sift through the nuance and are very good communicators.
  - 6y ago