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An alternative distro is being developed here: https://rockylinux.org/ https://rockylinux.org/

by cpach 6y ago

gibs0ns 6y ago
Unfortunate name. To say something is rocky, is like saying it's unstable/unreliable.
- _joel 6y ago
  Why, are the Rocky Mountains about to collapse? Also this is a sentimental name, chosen well imho. > "Thinking back to early CentOS days... My cofounder was Rocky McGaugh. He is no longer with us, so as a H/T to him, who never got to see the success that CentOS came to be, I introduce to you...Rocky Linux"
  - tweetle_beetle 6y ago
    > uncertain and difficult and not likely to last long > difficult or uncertain > unable to balance very well https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/rocky https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/rocky The parent to your comment is correct, as are you about the specific reference in this case. The etymology of the Rocky Mountains is unrelated to either: > The Rocky Mountains were so called by 1802, translating French Montagnes Rocheuses, first applied to the Canadian Rockies. "The name is not directly self-descriptive but is an approximate translation of the name of the former Native American people here known as the Assiniboin .... The mountains are in fact not noticeably rocky" https://www.etymonline.com/word/rocky https://www.etymonline.com/word/rocky
  - HunterWare 6y ago
    No, it's because rocky shores were very hazardous to shipping, and a ship "on the rocks" was either close to, or in, immediate peril. The homage seems lovely, but doesn't (unfortunately) change the fact that to the vast majority of english speakers "rocky" means unstable/dangerous... In fact, one of the most common expressions referring to an unstable/bad relationship is "their relationship is on the rocks" or "they are on the rocks".
    - _joel 6y ago
      Well I'm British and whilst I understand the etymology of the phrase I really don't associate Rocky Linux with being an unstable distro, but each to their own.
      - alxlaz 6y ago
        I think it's safe to say that, between the primary sense of "rocky" being "made of rock" and elementary common sense, nobody does ;-). People aren't going to think Rocky Linux is unstable for the same reasons why they don't think Apple computers rot if you leave them in the sun. Also, if a product called Red Hat Enterprise Linux was successful despite the name, I'm guessing it can't be that much of an obstacle for Rocky, either.
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    - cardiffspaceman 6y ago
      You can't stop people from interpreting names as they will. My reading of the name "Rocky Linux" is similar to my reading of the name "Rocky Balboa". It could be just a name, like "Foo" or it could signify toughness, as "Rocky" does as a nickname in many cases. In two non-fiction cases of boxers, "Rocky" is a diminutive of "Rock" or "The Rock".
  - visualphoenix 6y ago
    Interesting... I didn’t know about Rocky McGaugh, but I’ve definitely benefited from CentOS. In attempting to research who Rocky was, I stumbled onto this post with a dead link[0]. Anyone know the story behind Rocky and TeamHPC? [0] https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/news-155253/ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/news-155...
s5ma6n 6y ago
This is good news but due to the nature of widely adopted open-source projects, they are still vulnerable to a similar situation. It is listed that AWS is one of the sponsors of the Rocky Linux. Recently we have seen what happened between elastic and AWS. So, AWS could also pull an IBM and decide to drop it or tie it tightly with AWS services etc. It is a difficult situation in general and it is a shame that this was one of the most used distros in servers.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  They already have it,https://aws.amazon.com/amazon-linux-2/ https://aws.amazon.com/amazon-linux-2/
- JeremyNT 6y ago
  > Recently we have seen what happened between elastic and AWS. So, AWS could also pull an IBM and decide to drop it or tie it tightly with AWS services etc. There's a lot of reason to distrust Amazon, but this isn't what ended up happening with Elasticsearch and Kibana. Ultimately, the company Elastic took open source projects, moved them to more restrictive licenses, and Amazon came in and committed to maintaining proper open source forks.
- tehbeard 6y ago
  AWS wouldn't use it to compete with rocky foundation/group, they'd use it to offer a RHEL derivative on their platform. Funding it to get a pathway to onboard RHEL-like workloads without the costly licence? Worth the change they put down for it.
adolph 6y ago
Here’s a podcast that explains the background of Rocky and Centos. It speaks to the original aims of Centos and how Rocky continues the mission and attempts to fix some of the org structure problems that lead to Centos being where it is today. https://changelog.com/podcast/427 https://changelog.com/podcast/427
3395810 6y ago
CloudLinux is also working on a CentOS replacement. https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-communit...
chaz6 6y ago
There is also an alternative being developed here: https://almalinux.org/ https://almalinux.org/ which will be well financed by a company with years of experience.

An alternative distro is being developed here: https://rockylinux.org/ https://rockylinux.org/

by cpach 6y ago

An alternative distro is being developed here: https://rockylinux.org/ https://rockylinux.org/

gibs0ns 6y ago

Unfortunate name. To say something is rocky, is like saying it's unstable/unreliable.

_joel 6y ago
Why, are the Rocky Mountains about to collapse? Also this is a sentimental name, chosen well imho. > "Thinking back to early CentOS days... My cofounder was Rocky McGaugh. He is no longer with us, so as a H/T to him, who never got to see the success that CentOS came to be, I introduce to you...Rocky Linux"
- tweetle_beetle 6y ago
  > uncertain and difficult and not likely to last long > difficult or uncertain > unable to balance very well https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/rocky https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/rocky The parent to your comment is correct, as are you about the specific reference in this case. The etymology of the Rocky Mountains is unrelated to either: > The Rocky Mountains were so called by 1802, translating French Montagnes Rocheuses, first applied to the Canadian Rockies. "The name is not directly self-descriptive but is an approximate translation of the name of the former Native American people here known as the Assiniboin .... The mountains are in fact not noticeably rocky" https://www.etymonline.com/word/rocky https://www.etymonline.com/word/rocky
- HunterWare 6y ago
  No, it's because rocky shores were very hazardous to shipping, and a ship "on the rocks" was either close to, or in, immediate peril. The homage seems lovely, but doesn't (unfortunately) change the fact that to the vast majority of english speakers "rocky" means unstable/dangerous... In fact, one of the most common expressions referring to an unstable/bad relationship is "their relationship is on the rocks" or "they are on the rocks".
  - _joel 6y ago
    Well I'm British and whilst I understand the etymology of the phrase I really don't associate Rocky Linux with being an unstable distro, but each to their own.
    - alxlaz 6y ago
      I think it's safe to say that, between the primary sense of "rocky" being "made of rock" and elementary common sense, nobody does ;-). People aren't going to think Rocky Linux is unstable for the same reasons why they don't think Apple computers rot if you leave them in the sun. Also, if a product called Red Hat Enterprise Linux was successful despite the name, I'm guessing it can't be that much of an obstacle for Rocky, either.
    - deleted 6y ago
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  - cardiffspaceman 6y ago
    You can't stop people from interpreting names as they will. My reading of the name "Rocky Linux" is similar to my reading of the name "Rocky Balboa". It could be just a name, like "Foo" or it could signify toughness, as "Rocky" does as a nickname in many cases. In two non-fiction cases of boxers, "Rocky" is a diminutive of "Rock" or "The Rock".
- visualphoenix 6y ago
  Interesting... I didn’t know about Rocky McGaugh, but I’ve definitely benefited from CentOS. In attempting to research who Rocky was, I stumbled onto this post with a dead link[0]. Anyone know the story behind Rocky and TeamHPC? [0] https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/news-155253/ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/news-155...

s5ma6n 6y ago

This is good news but due to the nature of widely adopted open-source projects, they are still vulnerable to a similar situation. It is listed that AWS is one of the sponsors of the Rocky Linux. Recently we have seen what happened between elastic and AWS. So, AWS could also pull an IBM and decide to drop it or tie it tightly with AWS services etc. It is a difficult situation in general and it is a shame that this was one of the most used distros in servers.

pjmlp 6y ago
They already have it,https://aws.amazon.com/amazon-linux-2/ https://aws.amazon.com/amazon-linux-2/
JeremyNT 6y ago
> Recently we have seen what happened between elastic and AWS. So, AWS could also pull an IBM and decide to drop it or tie it tightly with AWS services etc. There's a lot of reason to distrust Amazon, but this isn't what ended up happening with Elasticsearch and Kibana. Ultimately, the company Elastic took open source projects, moved them to more restrictive licenses, and Amazon came in and committed to maintaining proper open source forks.
tehbeard 6y ago
AWS wouldn't use it to compete with rocky foundation/group, they'd use it to offer a RHEL derivative on their platform. Funding it to get a pathway to onboard RHEL-like workloads without the costly licence? Worth the change they put down for it.

adolph 6y ago

Here’s a podcast that explains the background of Rocky and Centos. It speaks to the original aims of Centos and how Rocky continues the mission and attempts to fix some of the org structure problems that lead to Centos being where it is today. https://changelog.com/podcast/427 https://changelog.com/podcast/427

3395810 6y ago

CloudLinux is also working on a CentOS replacement. https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-communit...

chaz6 6y ago

There is also an alternative being developed here: https://almalinux.org/ https://almalinux.org/ which will be well financed by a company with years of experience.