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I did a quick search. UAE and Israel have about 9 million population each. The EU has a population of about 447 million. Seems like these two countries are 2%

by Jonnax 6y ago

I did a quick search. UAE and Israel have about 9 million population each. The EU has a population of about 447 million. Seems like these two countries are 2% of EU in terms of population.

dustinmoris 6y ago
Doesn't change the fact that countries like Israel were able to secure more vaccines relatively to their population (and their GDP) than the EU has so far. Seems like Israel negotiated better than the EU despite the EU constantly self proclaiming to be the best negotiator with the best bargaining power in the world. So far Israel has negotiated and the EU resorts to threatening vaccine nationalism. From the downvotes I can only imply that truth does hurt sometimes.
- toyg 6y ago
  If I have 5 guests, I can go to a supermarket and buy 5 beers. If I have 5000 guests, I have to find a beer maker who can make and deliver 5000 beers by a given date. The difference in the challenge is obvious, to any rational observer. But sure, from far enough, both things can be described as "buying beers for guests".
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    And more importantly: you can afford to pay twice as much because in absolute terms that's not a huge amount for a relatively rich country as Israel. The EU on a per-capita basis isn't nearly as rich and isn't going to give the medical companies all of their data. It's about as apples-to-oranges as you can get.
- mytailorisrich 6y ago
  Actually, Israel could not really negotiate because they are quite small and do not produce the vaccine locally, so had no leverage at all. What happened is what always happens when you really want something but are not in a position to negotiate: You end up paying a lot of money. Israel is said to be paying $47 for the Pfizer vaccine while the US are paying $19.50, and the EU... $14.76. [1] [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-to-be-paying-average-of-47-per-person-for-pfizer-moderna-vaccines/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-to-be-paying-avera...

by Jonnax 6y ago

I did a quick search. UAE and Israel have about 9 million population each. The EU has a population of about 447 million. Seems like these two countries are 2% of EU in terms of population.

dustinmoris 6y ago

Doesn't change the fact that countries like Israel were able to secure more vaccines relatively to their population (and their GDP) than the EU has so far. Seems like Israel negotiated better than the EU despite the EU constantly self proclaiming to be the best negotiator with the best bargaining power in the world. So far Israel has negotiated and the EU resorts to threatening vaccine nationalism. From the downvotes I can only imply that truth does hurt sometimes.

toyg 6y ago
If I have 5 guests, I can go to a supermarket and buy 5 beers. If I have 5000 guests, I have to find a beer maker who can make and deliver 5000 beers by a given date. The difference in the challenge is obvious, to any rational observer. But sure, from far enough, both things can be described as "buying beers for guests".
- jacquesm 6y ago
  And more importantly: you can afford to pay twice as much because in absolute terms that's not a huge amount for a relatively rich country as Israel. The EU on a per-capita basis isn't nearly as rich and isn't going to give the medical companies all of their data. It's about as apples-to-oranges as you can get.
mytailorisrich 6y ago
Actually, Israel could not really negotiate because they are quite small and do not produce the vaccine locally, so had no leverage at all. What happened is what always happens when you really want something but are not in a position to negotiate: You end up paying a lot of money. Israel is said to be paying $47 for the Pfizer vaccine while the US are paying $19.50, and the EU... $14.76. [1] [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-to-be-paying-average-of-47-per-person-for-pfizer-moderna-vaccines/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-to-be-paying-avera...