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Why Are People Leaving WhatsApp in Favor of Telegram?

4 points by fillyourhead 6y ago

Seriously do you want to abandon a default E2EE just for a policy update?

__warlord__ 6y ago
Yes.
Daho0n 6y ago
I don't use WhatsApp (or Telegram) but I see it as a huge win that people are switching away from Facebook. Breaking the iron grip of FAANG is the first step needed to getting Average Jane to switch to something safe. Default E2EE from Facebook is as trustworthy as using their VPN for privacy. "We don't share between WhatsApp and the rest of Facebook" reminds me of "I didn't have sexual relations with that woman".
- fillyourhead 6y ago
  Yes, but at this point, for private chats, is better to use something like Signal than Telegram and Facebook's E2EE is one of the best out there imho. https://scontent.whatsapp.net/v/t39.8562-34/122249142_469857720642275_2152527586907531259_n.pdf/WA_Security_WhitePaper.pdf?ccb=2&_nc_sid=2fbf2a&_nc_ohc=dKM6lEyWJYcAX9hSbER&_nc_ht=scontent.whatsapp.net&oh=5ec1cc8d0190d8e606007b76ce7f55a7&oe=6036BC19 https://scontent.whatsapp.net/v/t39.8562-34/122249142_469857...
sloaken 6y ago
It is a matter of trust. I suspect half the US population now no longer trusts AWS / AMAZON, FACEBOOK / WHATSAPP, TWITTER, YOUTUBE / GOOGLE. Right now is a great time for a competitor to grab market share.
- askafriend 6y ago
  > I suspect half the US population now no longer trusts That's laughable. Half the population doesn't even think about this - they have other things to think about.
- Karsteski 6y ago
  As the other commenter said, most people do not have the privilege of being to take time to think about these things. I hope this trend about data privacy continues, however almost every person cares about convenience over all when it comes to software services.
YaBa 6y ago
Why not? Internet always worked like this. As long as enough people change, others will follow. In the last few days I've received a lot of notifications from people migrating. Also, I don't trust Facebook, Whatsapp was an exception on my mobile, not anymore.
- fillyourhead 6y ago
  Yes, but I mean : I don't care if a lot of people switched from WA to TG but at the same time I think that having E2EE by default is a good thing that Telegram don't have. And that's why I want to have a more clear vision about the new privacy policy update.

4 points by fillyourhead 6y ago

Seriously do you want to abandon a default E2EE just for a policy update?

__warlord__ 6y ago

Yes.

Daho0n 6y ago

I don't use WhatsApp (or Telegram) but I see it as a huge win that people are switching away from Facebook. Breaking the iron grip of FAANG is the first step needed to getting Average Jane to switch to something safe. Default E2EE from Facebook is as trustworthy as using their VPN for privacy. "We don't share between WhatsApp and the rest of Facebook" reminds me of "I didn't have sexual relations with that woman".

fillyourhead 6y ago
Yes, but at this point, for private chats, is better to use something like Signal than Telegram and Facebook's E2EE is one of the best out there imho. https://scontent.whatsapp.net/v/t39.8562-34/122249142_469857720642275_2152527586907531259_n.pdf/WA_Security_WhitePaper.pdf?ccb=2&_nc_sid=2fbf2a&_nc_ohc=dKM6lEyWJYcAX9hSbER&_nc_ht=scontent.whatsapp.net&oh=5ec1cc8d0190d8e606007b76ce7f55a7&oe=6036BC19 https://scontent.whatsapp.net/v/t39.8562-34/122249142_469857...

sloaken 6y ago

It is a matter of trust. I suspect half the US population now no longer trusts AWS / AMAZON, FACEBOOK / WHATSAPP, TWITTER, YOUTUBE / GOOGLE. Right now is a great time for a competitor to grab market share.

askafriend 6y ago
> I suspect half the US population now no longer trusts That's laughable. Half the population doesn't even think about this - they have other things to think about.
Karsteski 6y ago
As the other commenter said, most people do not have the privilege of being to take time to think about these things. I hope this trend about data privacy continues, however almost every person cares about convenience over all when it comes to software services.

YaBa 6y ago

Why not? Internet always worked like this. As long as enough people change, others will follow. In the last few days I've received a lot of notifications from people migrating. Also, I don't trust Facebook, Whatsapp was an exception on my mobile, not anymore.

fillyourhead 6y ago
Yes, but I mean : I don't care if a lot of people switched from WA to TG but at the same time I think that having E2EE by default is a good thing that Telegram don't have. And that's why I want to have a more clear vision about the new privacy policy update.