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"And why doesn't anyone want to prove Biden won?" There's an election process with many layers of oversight, that's the 'proof'. Just because there are what m
by jariel 6y ago
"And why doesn't anyone want to prove Biden won?"
There's an election process with many layers of oversight, that's the 'proof'.
Just because there are what might appear to be opaque elements to us plebes, doesn't mean there is any material lack of integrity.
Most tellingly: Giuliani himself did not argue fraud in court - because he could be disbarred for introducing garbage in that process.
If the Giuliani/Trump case had any material merit whatsoever (they had umpteen people willing to provide them their 'evidence') obviously, they would have tried the courts 'for real' which they mostly did not.
They did go after things like State Congressional rights to alter voting days, to expand mail-in voting due to COVID, but that in and of itself doesn't really constitute fraud. Every state has mail-in procedures already in place.
Finally - anything that was really problematic would have been made public - as they did with a couple of videos in which they maligned workers essentially doing their jobs.
As far as Dominion - there is a paper trail for auditing, there have been hand-counts and the tallies match, i.e. no fraud at the ballot validation level.
Dominion is probably one of the more secure elements in the process.
The most 'grey and ambiguous' area of voting boils down to voter rolls. If you look at Georgia legal battles, you see they fight over the policies for purging the rolls. 'If so and so has not returned their mail-in card in over 2 years, they purge' etc..
In 2000, the vote was extremely close in Florida, and it may very well have come down to the degree to which certain groups were purged.
That said - this doesn't leave a lot of opportunity for systematic fraud. Someone grabbing someone else's ballot from the mailbox, forging their signature is well within likely to happen, and surely does happen, but it can't feasibly be scaled. The voter rolls themselves are monitored, it's not like they are a black box either.
It's important to remember that the initiative was populist. It was not to convince the courts or anyone of integrity that there was fraud, because we already knew the answer. The issue was entirely a campaign of public misinformation to discredit an opponent, to sow distrust in the system.
By far the worst 'crime' in all of this is someone using the legitimate authority of the Office of President of the USA to knowingly spread false information. Or at least a close second to pressuring election officials, state officials, the VP, and senators to interfere directly with the process.
- pfdietz 6y ago> Giuliani himself did not argue fraud in court And that is Dominion's strongest evidence for actual malice on the part of Giuliani.
- qwerty12345678 6y ago> There's an election process with many layers of oversight, that's the 'proof'. In what world do you live in where this statement constitutes as proof. > Just because there are what might appear to be opaque elements to us plebes, doesn't mean there is any material lack of integrity. This is extremely naive. Politicians take shits just like you and me, power is an illusion. I believe I've touched on most of your other points in my other replies. (may need to have HN settings set to showdead=yes to view them)
- jariel 6y agoWhere is the 'Proof' that Joe Biden was born in America? I mean, anyone can forge a birth certificate. Where is the 'Proof' that he's 82 and not 87? So you're having a difficult time accepting that for many things in life we use inference and incidental facts, we don't provide forensic evidence. Moreover, if there was a problem with the election, it's your issue to prove, not the other way around. If there was such widespread fraud as Trump claimed, it would be relatively easy to prove. As for 'Politicians shits and power is an illusion' - this doesn't make any sense at all. Politicians lie and cheat, yes of course, that's why we have oversight, recounts, process, procedure, voting machines etc..