4 ms·

Isn't this contradicted by reporters at the time saying that they were sent home for the night? Do we have video and audio of the event in question? edit: rat

Isn't this contradicted by reporters at the time saying that they were sent home for the night? Do we have video and audio of the event in question? edit: rather than downvoting me, please engage with the question so others can learn.

wlesieutre 6y ago
The ballots were on camera in the room the entire time, if reporters had been sent home they still wouldn't have appeared out of a mystery suitcase. They were sealed on camera, then unsealed on camera, and counted on camera. They have been counted and recounted and recounted. I don't know if reporters were "sent home" as you are claiming, or if they "left" as described by this video when election employees were initially closing up for the night, but either way the monitors and media saw those ballots go into the boxes and Giuliani was still lying about where they came from.
- purchaceallsus 6y ago
  Thank you for your reply. >The ballots were on camera in the room the entire time, if reporters had been sent home they still wouldn't have appeared out of a mystery suitcase. They were sealed on camera, then unsealed on camera, and counted on camera. They have been counted and recounted and recounted. Here are the sworn affidavits that state the observers were too far to monitor what was being done with the boxes when they were brought in during the day [0]. >I don't know if reporters were "sent home" as you are claiming, or if they "left" as described by this video when election employees were initially closing up for the night, but either way the monitors and media saw those ballots go into the boxes and Giuliani was still lying about where they came from. Here are the sworn affidavits of two poll watchers that say they were sent home [1]. This corroborates what David Shafer says happened that night [2]. Also ABC news reported the same, their source was Regina Waller [3]. ================ [0] https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.284055/gov.uscourts.gand.284055.1.29.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.284055... [1] https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20420331-mitchell-harrison-affidavit https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20420331-mitchell-h... [2] https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1325956840769859586?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1325956840769859586%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F11%2Finspire-confidence-one-credentialed-gop-monitor-allowed-ten-counting-tables-georgia-hand-recount-video%2F https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1325956840769859586?r... [3] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pipe-bursts-atlanta-arena-causing-hour-delay-processing/story?id=73981348 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pipe-bursts-atlanta-arena-ca...
  - wlesieutre 6y ago
    I don’t have anything to add on monitoring distance, but both of the affidavits you linked specifically agree with the video that they left and not that they were kicked out, because everyone thought counting was finished for the night. Neither of them claims they wouldn’t have been allowed to stay if they had stayed until the room was empty. What the state investigator says, and what those affidavits both appear to agree with, is > Nobody told them to stay. Nobody told them to leave. Nobody gave them any advice on what they should do. And It was still open for them or the public to come back in to view at whatever time they wanted to, as long as they were still working. I’m going to give more credence to the affidavits of the people who were directly involved over the wording from ABC. One of them did return later and was allowed in, but arrived as the counting was complete. It’s an unfortunate situation that everyone was told it was closing down and then the secretary of state’s office called to tell them to keep counting, but that doesn’t support Giuliano’s claims about rigging the election with suitcases of ballots from under a table.
    - purchanceallus 6y ago
      >I don’t have anything to add on monitoring distance, but both of the affidavits you linked specifically agree with the video that they left and not that they were kicked out, because everyone thought counting was finished for the night. Neither of them claims they wouldn’t have been allowed to stay if they had stayed until the room was empty. It seems the reason they thought they were done counting is because a supervisor told the counters to go home, and said that they were done counting for the day. Relevant part from the linked document (paragraph 8): "Sometime after 10 o'clock p.m., the counting activity slowed. Shortly afterward, a younger lady with long braided but blond hair yelled out to all of them they should stop working and come back tomorrow (the next day, Wednesday November 4th) at 8:30 A.M.. Thereafter, all but 4 election employees left State Farm, leaving just the blond haired lady (who Michelle and I assumed was the supervisor), two older ladies and Regina Waller at the location. This lady had appeared through the night and Michelle and I believed her to be the supervisor." I think that while it is possible the observers could have just stayed there until everyone left, it is likely that they believed what they were told -- that the counting would finish the next day. At any rate, it is at best a bad look. I agree that it doesn't prove fraud or anything close. It does, however, look suspicious and IMHO warrants further investigation.

wlesieutre 6y ago

The ballots were on camera in the room the entire time, if reporters had been sent home they still wouldn't have appeared out of a mystery suitcase. They were sealed on camera, then unsealed on camera, and counted on camera. They have been counted and recounted and recounted. I don't know if reporters were "sent home" as you are claiming, or if they "left" as described by this video when election employees were initially closing up for the night, but either way the monitors and media saw those ballots go into the boxes and Giuliani was still lying about where they came from.

purchaceallsus 6y ago
Thank you for your reply. >The ballots were on camera in the room the entire time, if reporters had been sent home they still wouldn't have appeared out of a mystery suitcase. They were sealed on camera, then unsealed on camera, and counted on camera. They have been counted and recounted and recounted. Here are the sworn affidavits that state the observers were too far to monitor what was being done with the boxes when they were brought in during the day [0]. >I don't know if reporters were "sent home" as you are claiming, or if they "left" as described by this video when election employees were initially closing up for the night, but either way the monitors and media saw those ballots go into the boxes and Giuliani was still lying about where they came from. Here are the sworn affidavits of two poll watchers that say they were sent home [1]. This corroborates what David Shafer says happened that night [2]. Also ABC news reported the same, their source was Regina Waller [3]. ================ [0] https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.284055/gov.uscourts.gand.284055.1.29.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.284055... [1] https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20420331-mitchell-harrison-affidavit https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20420331-mitchell-h... [2] https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1325956840769859586?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1325956840769859586%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F11%2Finspire-confidence-one-credentialed-gop-monitor-allowed-ten-counting-tables-georgia-hand-recount-video%2F https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1325956840769859586?r... [3] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pipe-bursts-atlanta-arena-causing-hour-delay-processing/story?id=73981348 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pipe-bursts-atlanta-arena-ca...
- wlesieutre 6y ago
  I don’t have anything to add on monitoring distance, but both of the affidavits you linked specifically agree with the video that they left and not that they were kicked out, because everyone thought counting was finished for the night. Neither of them claims they wouldn’t have been allowed to stay if they had stayed until the room was empty. What the state investigator says, and what those affidavits both appear to agree with, is > Nobody told them to stay. Nobody told them to leave. Nobody gave them any advice on what they should do. And It was still open for them or the public to come back in to view at whatever time they wanted to, as long as they were still working. I’m going to give more credence to the affidavits of the people who were directly involved over the wording from ABC. One of them did return later and was allowed in, but arrived as the counting was complete. It’s an unfortunate situation that everyone was told it was closing down and then the secretary of state’s office called to tell them to keep counting, but that doesn’t support Giuliano’s claims about rigging the election with suitcases of ballots from under a table.
  - purchanceallus 6y ago
    >I don’t have anything to add on monitoring distance, but both of the affidavits you linked specifically agree with the video that they left and not that they were kicked out, because everyone thought counting was finished for the night. Neither of them claims they wouldn’t have been allowed to stay if they had stayed until the room was empty. It seems the reason they thought they were done counting is because a supervisor told the counters to go home, and said that they were done counting for the day. Relevant part from the linked document (paragraph 8): "Sometime after 10 o'clock p.m., the counting activity slowed. Shortly afterward, a younger lady with long braided but blond hair yelled out to all of them they should stop working and come back tomorrow (the next day, Wednesday November 4th) at 8:30 A.M.. Thereafter, all but 4 election employees left State Farm, leaving just the blond haired lady (who Michelle and I assumed was the supervisor), two older ladies and Regina Waller at the location. This lady had appeared through the night and Michelle and I believed her to be the supervisor." I think that while it is possible the observers could have just stayed there until everyone left, it is likely that they believed what they were told -- that the counting would finish the next day. At any rate, it is at best a bad look. I agree that it doesn't prove fraud or anything close. It does, however, look suspicious and IMHO warrants further investigation.