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Dominion seem to be spinning this out as a campaign, so I doubt Giuliani is the end point. I also doubt Trump is the end point.

mhh__ 6y ago
I wouldn't be surprised of Rudy goes scorched earth and drags Trump in, but maybe get off the Qoolaid if you think Dominion are the conspiracy here...
- tartoran 6y ago
  I bet we're gonna see a fight between Giuliani and Trump now. Sick of this whole tantrum, peeps, let's move on. We have a pandemic to tackle, we have a shitty economy, we have shitty buggy software, we have corps creating walled gardens threatening the existence of the internet as we knew it, etcetera. Let's look towards the future even if the climate change seems too daunting, we may find a solution for that too.
  - Pxtl 6y ago
    I wonder if that isn't figuring into a republican strategy: let's get the public so exhausted with our nonsense that the Democrats won't want to hold us to account for fears of irritating the battle-fatigued public.
    - tartoran 6y ago
      That reminds me very much of “Donald has been” and am somewhat relieved it is momentarily quieter now. Republicans will continue to make noise in their voter base for sure but they have become castrated right now. The burden is on Democrats who really have no excuse to not fix things up, they have complete power
newacct583 6y ago
Dominion, as an operating business, has effectively been destroyed. No bipartisan election committee is going to buy their stuff anymore when it is an article of unshakable faith among one of the two parties that their machines fraudulently stole an election. So now their owners[1] need to figure out how to get whatever value they can. This isn't a "campaign", it's just a business effort. They've been transformed into something like an IP holding company, where the IP is the damage suffered by the original outfit. They'll sue everyone they can. (They'll also probably manage to recoup some value by selling what's left of the company to someone else who then rebrands them and tries to sell back into the markets that have been poisoned. Something very similar happened with Diebold a decade ago, which was then sold to ES&S and thence to, yes, Dominion.) [1] No idea how they're structured, but per wikipedia they're a private corporation.
- sidlls 6y ago
  Now if only all the other electronic voting machine companies would be similarly destroyed. There's no good reason to not have publicly counted paper ballots. Other developed countries don't seem to have problems running their elections that way.
  - etchalon 6y ago
    Many of the machines, if not most, had paper ballot backups in addition to the electronic counts. When audited, the paper counts matched the machine counts. So the issue isn't "electronic voting" vs. "paper ballots".
    - sidlls 6y ago
      No, that's pretty much the issue. Voting isn't a technology problem; it's a funding and people problem like most political issues. Other countries--large, developed countries--don't take days to hand-count paper ballots, and the tallies don't need people blathering about audits and statistics for voters to have confidence in them. The fact that it takes as long as it does in the US and there is still a fear that it's not secure or that it's suspicious--no matter how wrong that fear may be--is a problem. And it's not a "dumb normies need more education about statistics" problem. It's a problem created by forcing a "solution" that is unnecessary (paper ballots, counted by hand work fine) and unnecessarily complicated.
      - Paradigma11 6y ago
        The way i see it voting machines mostly act as input validation to prevent faulty votes. US ballots can be quite complicated, it seems. The process still generates an auditable paper trail that is regarded as truth. Afaik there also have not been discrepances between the electronic and paper counts. If people dont understand that printed paper ballots cant be changed by an air gapped electronic system you wont gain their trust anyway.
        6y ago

mhh__ 6y ago

I wouldn't be surprised of Rudy goes scorched earth and drags Trump in, but maybe get off the Qoolaid if you think Dominion are the conspiracy here...

tartoran 6y ago
I bet we're gonna see a fight between Giuliani and Trump now. Sick of this whole tantrum, peeps, let's move on. We have a pandemic to tackle, we have a shitty economy, we have shitty buggy software, we have corps creating walled gardens threatening the existence of the internet as we knew it, etcetera. Let's look towards the future even if the climate change seems too daunting, we may find a solution for that too.
- Pxtl 6y ago
  I wonder if that isn't figuring into a republican strategy: let's get the public so exhausted with our nonsense that the Democrats won't want to hold us to account for fears of irritating the battle-fatigued public.
  - tartoran 6y ago
    That reminds me very much of “Donald has been” and am somewhat relieved it is momentarily quieter now. Republicans will continue to make noise in their voter base for sure but they have become castrated right now. The burden is on Democrats who really have no excuse to not fix things up, they have complete power

newacct583 6y ago

Dominion, as an operating business, has effectively been destroyed. No bipartisan election committee is going to buy their stuff anymore when it is an article of unshakable faith among one of the two parties that their machines fraudulently stole an election. So now their owners[1] need to figure out how to get whatever value they can. This isn't a "campaign", it's just a business effort. They've been transformed into something like an IP holding company, where the IP is the damage suffered by the original outfit. They'll sue everyone they can. (They'll also probably manage to recoup some value by selling what's left of the company to someone else who then rebrands them and tries to sell back into the markets that have been poisoned. Something very similar happened with Diebold a decade ago, which was then sold to ES&S and thence to, yes, Dominion.) [1] No idea how they're structured, but per wikipedia they're a private corporation.

sidlls 6y ago
Now if only all the other electronic voting machine companies would be similarly destroyed. There's no good reason to not have publicly counted paper ballots. Other developed countries don't seem to have problems running their elections that way.
- etchalon 6y ago
  Many of the machines, if not most, had paper ballot backups in addition to the electronic counts. When audited, the paper counts matched the machine counts. So the issue isn't "electronic voting" vs. "paper ballots".
  - sidlls 6y ago
    No, that's pretty much the issue. Voting isn't a technology problem; it's a funding and people problem like most political issues. Other countries--large, developed countries--don't take days to hand-count paper ballots, and the tallies don't need people blathering about audits and statistics for voters to have confidence in them. The fact that it takes as long as it does in the US and there is still a fear that it's not secure or that it's suspicious--no matter how wrong that fear may be--is a problem. And it's not a "dumb normies need more education about statistics" problem. It's a problem created by forcing a "solution" that is unnecessary (paper ballots, counted by hand work fine) and unnecessarily complicated.
    - Paradigma11 6y ago
      The way i see it voting machines mostly act as input validation to prevent faulty votes. US ballots can be quite complicated, it seems. The process still generates an auditable paper trail that is regarded as truth. Afaik there also have not been discrepances between the electronic and paper counts. If people dont understand that printed paper ballots cant be changed by an air gapped electronic system you wont gain their trust anyway.
      - 6y ago