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Rudy also had a cybersecurity company and was named as a cybersecurity advisor. Would that help Dominion's side that this wasn't just crazy beliefs on Giuliani'

Rudy also had a cybersecurity company and was named as a cybersecurity advisor. Would that help Dominion's side that this wasn't just crazy beliefs on Giuliani's part and be in favor of actual malice?

akiselev 6y ago
IANAL but "they should have known" doesn't follow from how they market themselves as a business unless it's a licensed profession. It's not uncommon for defendants to completely contradict their previous public statements under threat of a lawsuit like all the Fox News lawsuits where their lawyers win by claiming that it's an entertainment channel and their viewers should know better [1]. Beyond that, one can easily argue that political appointments and executive positions rarely deal with the nitty gritty details, instead providing value through things like political connections and existing business relationships. [1] https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1:2019cv11161/527808/39/ https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-yor... - "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."
- andy_ppp 6y ago
  You are kidding me, their defence in court is that they are bullshit artists, it’s just beyond parody. I’m starting to think we live in something far worse than idiocracy... Dominion at the very least should be demanding they remove the word “news” from all their branding if this is to fly.
  - kortilla 6y ago
    Nope. It’s very clear to even people who like that shit that Tucker isn’t “the news”. It’s very clearly overblown rants about anything that went on recently. It’s clearly a talk show on a channel that has news during the day. Hannity is even more of a nutter bringing in panels to get peoples’ reactions to shit that went on. It’s the equivalent of /r/politics for boomers. A bunch of people getting riled up together about the “obvious stupidity” of “the other side”.
    - rayiner 6y ago
      Tucker Carlson is the Republican version of Rachel Maddow (who didn’t hear a single conspiracy theory about Trump and Russia she didn’t peddle on the air).
  - joering2 6y ago
    Fox Noise is a joke. Mostly they are being watched so much because people find them entertaining. But they are danger to society and democracy. The lies they spew are the reason they been banned both from Murdoch home Australia, and Great Britain. I find it especially funny to watch Sean Insanity, Fucker Calrson, Lara Inbreed and Mark Lenin; they all just opinion-makers, its just happen to be extremely shitty but funny opinion.
    - EdwardDiego 6y ago
      I agree with you, but I suspect the rather childish nicknames are getting you downvoted. We can discuss the issue with a news network that argues in court "It's not news, it's just their opinion" while presenting it as news, without going 12 year old in it. It's much like how a valid critique of Ballmer era Microsoft is immediately undermined by referring to them as Micro$oft or Microsucks etc.
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- wcunning 6y ago
  That's the point -- lawyers are a licensed profession based on the bar exam and bar association.
  - hobofan 6y ago
    I think the point here was more that cybersecurity advisor is not a licensed profession. So lawyer is a licensed profession but doesn't really indicate any knowledge regarding cybersecurity, and cybersecurity advisor might indicate some knowledge, though not really, as it's not a licensed profession.
Spooky23 6y ago
Giuliani explicitly and repeatedly asserted that he was working in the capacity of the president’s personal attorney. There was no ambiguity with respect for his role.

akiselev 6y ago

IANAL but "they should have known" doesn't follow from how they market themselves as a business unless it's a licensed profession. It's not uncommon for defendants to completely contradict their previous public statements under threat of a lawsuit like all the Fox News lawsuits where their lawyers win by claiming that it's an entertainment channel and their viewers should know better [1]. Beyond that, one can easily argue that political appointments and executive positions rarely deal with the nitty gritty details, instead providing value through things like political connections and existing business relationships. [1] https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1:2019cv11161/527808/39/ https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-yor... - "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."

andy_ppp 6y ago
You are kidding me, their defence in court is that they are bullshit artists, it’s just beyond parody. I’m starting to think we live in something far worse than idiocracy... Dominion at the very least should be demanding they remove the word “news” from all their branding if this is to fly.
- kortilla 6y ago
  Nope. It’s very clear to even people who like that shit that Tucker isn’t “the news”. It’s very clearly overblown rants about anything that went on recently. It’s clearly a talk show on a channel that has news during the day. Hannity is even more of a nutter bringing in panels to get peoples’ reactions to shit that went on. It’s the equivalent of /r/politics for boomers. A bunch of people getting riled up together about the “obvious stupidity” of “the other side”.
  - rayiner 6y ago
    Tucker Carlson is the Republican version of Rachel Maddow (who didn’t hear a single conspiracy theory about Trump and Russia she didn’t peddle on the air).
- joering2 6y ago
  Fox Noise is a joke. Mostly they are being watched so much because people find them entertaining. But they are danger to society and democracy. The lies they spew are the reason they been banned both from Murdoch home Australia, and Great Britain. I find it especially funny to watch Sean Insanity, Fucker Calrson, Lara Inbreed and Mark Lenin; they all just opinion-makers, its just happen to be extremely shitty but funny opinion.
  - EdwardDiego 6y ago
    I agree with you, but I suspect the rather childish nicknames are getting you downvoted. We can discuss the issue with a news network that argues in court "It's not news, it's just their opinion" while presenting it as news, without going 12 year old in it. It's much like how a valid critique of Ballmer era Microsoft is immediately undermined by referring to them as Micro$oft or Microsucks etc.
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wcunning 6y ago
That's the point -- lawyers are a licensed profession based on the bar exam and bar association.
- hobofan 6y ago
  I think the point here was more that cybersecurity advisor is not a licensed profession. So lawyer is a licensed profession but doesn't really indicate any knowledge regarding cybersecurity, and cybersecurity advisor might indicate some knowledge, though not really, as it's not a licensed profession.

Spooky23 6y ago

Giuliani explicitly and repeatedly asserted that he was working in the capacity of the president’s personal attorney. There was no ambiguity with respect for his role.