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Coz there is a significant risk of penalty, of jail time. That's what a sworn affidavit is, is it not?

tunesmith 6y ago
You can create a sworn affidavit that says you suspected someone did something evil. It's a true statement that doesn't prove someone did something evil.
- purchaceallsus 6y ago
  Did you read the affidavits? They include statements of fact, not just "I felt it was wrong." They can therefore be disproven with material evidence. If they are disproven with material evidence then that person will go to jail.
  - tunesmith 6y ago
    This does not imply that "If the person does not go to jail, then the person was telling the truth."
    - purchaceallsus 6y ago
      No but it does make it less likely that they were lying, because of the penalty of jail time.
  - bena 6y ago
    Only if they knowingly engaged in deception. They could also just be wrong. There's a reason why eye-witness testimony is one of the weakest forms of evidence there is.
xphilter 6y ago
No there’s not. Especially if a lot of folks do it. At most, a judge gives them a stern talking to. No federal judge will order real jail time.
adrianmonk 6y ago
Where was this risk aversion during the storming of the Capitol on January 6th? I think what you say is true of most people, but it seems very clear that we have a group which doesn't behave like most people.
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  > Where was this risk aversion during the storming of the Capitol on January 6th? Are you asserting that some of the same people who filed affidavits also entered the capitol own jan 6th? Is there any evidence for this? > I think what you say is true of most people, but it seems very clear that we have a group which doesn't behave like most people. I think we as a society are moving past the whole "judge some people by the actions of some different people" thing.
onion2k 6y ago
All that means is that there are thousands of people willing to risk jail time if they're shown to have lied. It says nothing about whether they lied or not. For what it's worth I imagine many of them think they're telling the truth, or at least are honestly putting their name to something they've been told and believe. That also doesn't mean they're right though.
rodgerd 6y ago
Illegally storming a US federal building to overturn the results of an election you don't like is illegal, so clearly no-one would do that.

You can create a sworn affidavit that says you suspected someone did something evil. It's a true statement that doesn't prove someone did something evil.

purchaceallsus 6y ago
Did you read the affidavits? They include statements of fact, not just "I felt it was wrong." They can therefore be disproven with material evidence. If they are disproven with material evidence then that person will go to jail.
- tunesmith 6y ago
  This does not imply that "If the person does not go to jail, then the person was telling the truth."
  - purchaceallsus 6y ago
    No but it does make it less likely that they were lying, because of the penalty of jail time.
- bena 6y ago
  Only if they knowingly engaged in deception. They could also just be wrong. There's a reason why eye-witness testimony is one of the weakest forms of evidence there is.

xphilter 6y ago

No there’s not. Especially if a lot of folks do it. At most, a judge gives them a stern talking to. No federal judge will order real jail time.

adrianmonk 6y ago

Where was this risk aversion during the storming of the Capitol on January 6th? I think what you say is true of most people, but it seems very clear that we have a group which doesn't behave like most people.

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
> Where was this risk aversion during the storming of the Capitol on January 6th? Are you asserting that some of the same people who filed affidavits also entered the capitol own jan 6th? Is there any evidence for this? > I think what you say is true of most people, but it seems very clear that we have a group which doesn't behave like most people. I think we as a society are moving past the whole "judge some people by the actions of some different people" thing.

onion2k 6y ago

All that means is that there are thousands of people willing to risk jail time if they're shown to have lied. It says nothing about whether they lied or not. For what it's worth I imagine many of them think they're telling the truth, or at least are honestly putting their name to something they've been told and believe. That also doesn't mean they're right though.

rodgerd 6y ago

Illegally storming a US federal building to overturn the results of an election you don't like is illegal, so clearly no-one would do that.