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The EFF needs to get to the point that politicians seriously consider fighting them. Its the only real way to effect change in the US. As we have seen multipl

The EFF needs to get to the point that politicians seriously consider fighting them. Its the only real way to effect change in the US. As we have seen multiple times, the other folks keep introducing bills over and over again. That needs to be a hard stop and the only way to get there is fear because logic just doesn't work for tech.

dimitrios1 6y ago
And the only way to get politicians to seriously consider fighting for you is: - give them money - offer them a political advantage over their opponents - build up enough grassroots support among their constituents that not supporting your positions would be effectively career suicide The best organizations utilize all three.
hyperdimension 6y ago
I completely agree with you, but... > because logic just doesn't work for tech is more than a little ironic to me. I suppose it's like people saying you can't 'out-logic' a judge through a technicality, or that the law does not mean they are Perfect Laws of Logic; they're designed to be interpreted by judges. I admire the EFF though, and I support what they advocate for. I was going to say I'd like them to be more pragmatic, but I suppose their hardline opinions are most of the reason they exist as an advocacy organization.
- protomyth 6y ago
  Logic is fine for technical folks and a lot of general public, it doesn't work very well in the political arena where waving the bloody shirt is the norm. Logic is a poor weapon in an emotional debate and doesn't work worth a damn.
  - hyperdimension 6y ago
    True. I just found that quote ironic is all. To your actual point, though, I think you've totally nailed it. I'm not sure if emotion and politics are permanently inextricable, but from my limited, unfortunate experience, it seems as though any kind of logical argument doesn't or can't (!) sway anyone (myself, of course, included!)

dimitrios1 6y ago

And the only way to get politicians to seriously consider fighting for you is: - give them money - offer them a political advantage over their opponents - build up enough grassroots support among their constituents that not supporting your positions would be effectively career suicide The best organizations utilize all three.

hyperdimension 6y ago

I completely agree with you, but... > because logic just doesn't work for tech is more than a little ironic to me. I suppose it's like people saying you can't 'out-logic' a judge through a technicality, or that the law does not mean they are Perfect Laws of Logic; they're designed to be interpreted by judges. I admire the EFF though, and I support what they advocate for. I was going to say I'd like them to be more pragmatic, but I suppose their hardline opinions are most of the reason they exist as an advocacy organization.

protomyth 6y ago
Logic is fine for technical folks and a lot of general public, it doesn't work very well in the political arena where waving the bloody shirt is the norm. Logic is a poor weapon in an emotional debate and doesn't work worth a damn.
- hyperdimension 6y ago
  True. I just found that quote ironic is all. To your actual point, though, I think you've totally nailed it. I'm not sure if emotion and politics are permanently inextricable, but from my limited, unfortunate experience, it seems as though any kind of logical argument doesn't or can't (!) sway anyone (myself, of course, included!)