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I remember a lot of accusation about Diebold voting back in the 2000s, and concerns about lack of auditability. My understanding is that newer systems now let y

I remember a lot of accusation about Diebold voting back in the 2000s, and concerns about lack of auditability. My understanding is that newer systems now let you vote at a machine, but it spits out a receipt that the voter can verify and the county can hold on to for the sake of audits and recounts. Is this standard now, or on a state by state basis?

csours 6y ago
Worse, depending on state it may be statewide, or county by county.
reaperducer 6y ago
My understanding is that newer systems now let you vote at a machine, but it spits out a receipt that the county can hold on to for the sake of audits and recounts. Not new. I've had paper voting receipts for at least 15 years. Probably longer. Is this standard now, or on a state by state basis? There are no voting machine standards. It varies by state, and in some states by county. Some people see that as a flaw. I see the diversity of voting systems as a security plus. There was even an article in the newspaper shortly after the election stating that certain foreign governments looked into hacking America's voting systems, but it wasn't worth the effort because they were all constructed and implemented differently.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
  How can I be sure that my paper ballot receipt that I’m holding matches the ballot that was actually submitted?
adrr 6y ago
Dominion voting machines in Georgia is literally a computer hooked up to a printer that prints out a ballot for you that you turn in. Ballots are then scanned to get the results.
HNfriend234 6y ago
Yup. I think there is room for a lot more transparency and "double-checks" so to speaks built into voting going forward. Allow each voter to audit their own vote. We have the technology to allow for this to happen so there really is no excuse. This is really how you build confidence is the voting system. Anyone who is truly skeptical can cast their own vote and double-check it though the system. I know quite a few people that fully believe that voting is effectively a sham now.
- javagram 6y ago
  > I know quite a few people that fully believe that voting is effectively a sham now. Unfortunately this is because they want to believe lies. If they did a small amount of Googling or simply watched a mainstream news source, they’d find that Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Michigan all used auditable paper ballots or receipts. 7/8 states that use unverifiable electronic voting machines that don’t have a paper trail went for Trump (e.g. Louisiana). The other is New Jersey, which wasn’t even accused of fraud by Giuliani or Trump.
yters 6y ago
Dominion purchases Diebold in 2010. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Voting_Systems https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Voting_Systems Hopefully they improved the security since then... https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~matth/lists/ https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~matth/lists/
elihu 6y ago
It looks like the current holdouts (allowing electronic voting with no voter-verified paper trail) are Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Texas. https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_methods_and_equipment_by_state https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_methods_and_equipment_by_stat...

csours 6y ago

Worse, depending on state it may be statewide, or county by county.

reaperducer 6y ago

My understanding is that newer systems now let you vote at a machine, but it spits out a receipt that the county can hold on to for the sake of audits and recounts. Not new. I've had paper voting receipts for at least 15 years. Probably longer. Is this standard now, or on a state by state basis? There are no voting machine standards. It varies by state, and in some states by county. Some people see that as a flaw. I see the diversity of voting systems as a security plus. There was even an article in the newspaper shortly after the election stating that certain foreign governments looked into hacking America's voting systems, but it wasn't worth the effort because they were all constructed and implemented differently.

SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
How can I be sure that my paper ballot receipt that I’m holding matches the ballot that was actually submitted?

adrr 6y ago

Dominion voting machines in Georgia is literally a computer hooked up to a printer that prints out a ballot for you that you turn in. Ballots are then scanned to get the results.

HNfriend234 6y ago

Yup. I think there is room for a lot more transparency and "double-checks" so to speaks built into voting going forward. Allow each voter to audit their own vote. We have the technology to allow for this to happen so there really is no excuse. This is really how you build confidence is the voting system. Anyone who is truly skeptical can cast their own vote and double-check it though the system. I know quite a few people that fully believe that voting is effectively a sham now.

javagram 6y ago
> I know quite a few people that fully believe that voting is effectively a sham now. Unfortunately this is because they want to believe lies. If they did a small amount of Googling or simply watched a mainstream news source, they’d find that Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Michigan all used auditable paper ballots or receipts. 7/8 states that use unverifiable electronic voting machines that don’t have a paper trail went for Trump (e.g. Louisiana). The other is New Jersey, which wasn’t even accused of fraud by Giuliani or Trump.

yters 6y ago

Dominion purchases Diebold in 2010. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Voting_Systems https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Voting_Systems Hopefully they improved the security since then... https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~matth/lists/ https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~matth/lists/

elihu 6y ago

It looks like the current holdouts (allowing electronic voting with no voter-verified paper trail) are Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Texas. https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_methods_and_equipment_by_state https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_methods_and_equipment_by_stat...