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Won’t baseless accusations of no voter fraud undermine the confidence even more? After all, is there any evidence for voter fraud in Russia?

by tomp 6y ago

bredren 6y ago
This is not what is happening. Time and time again the repeated phrase is there is no evidence of _widespread_ voter fraud.
- julienchastang 6y ago
  Or "sufficient voter fraud that would change the outcome of an election".
  - rtkwe 6y ago
    Yeah, there's a tiny smattering of cases (the most memorable ones to me being Republican voters trying to counter supposed fraud with some fraud of their own) that get caught but nowhere near enough to impact elections. Much more prevalent though is intentional voter disenfranchisement keeping people from voting and gerrymandering.
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dragontamer 6y ago
Presumably, the issue is baseless accusations in general. It doesn't matter what side a baseless claim happens: its bad either way. Dominion Voting Systems must prove that Rudy Giuliani was making up information to succeed in this court case. Unfortunately, defamation is surprisingly hard to win in the USA (which is why the US's Tabloid media can get so far with so many claims). Dominion Voting Systems is not a public figure however, its a company. That... probably makes it easier to win this case. Still, if Dominion's lawyers think that this case is worth pursuing (despite the difficulty of defamation / libel / slander), that doesn't bode well for Rudy.
- astrange 6y ago
  A company can be a public figure.
ardy42 6y ago
> Won’t baseless accusations of no voter fraud undermine the confidence even more? > After all, is there any evidence for voter fraud in Russia? The accusations of there being no voter fraud in the 2020 US election fraud aren't baseless: all the verification checks have passed, and for that to happen and fraud to have occurred would require a conspiracy of unbelievable scale and secrecy. Also, the claims that there is fraud are not just baseless, they're incoherent. While Russia may make baseless claims their elections are fair, there's more than enough evidence to disbelieve them (like how they disqualify and murder their political opponents).

Won’t baseless accusations of no voter fraud undermine the confidence even more? After all, is there any evidence for voter fraud in Russia?

by tomp 6y ago

Won’t baseless accusations of no voter fraud undermine the confidence even more? After all, is there any evidence for voter fraud in Russia?

bredren 6y ago

This is not what is happening. Time and time again the repeated phrase is there is no evidence of _widespread_ voter fraud.

julienchastang 6y ago
Or "sufficient voter fraud that would change the outcome of an election".
- rtkwe 6y ago
  Yeah, there's a tiny smattering of cases (the most memorable ones to me being Republican voters trying to counter supposed fraud with some fraud of their own) that get caught but nowhere near enough to impact elections. Much more prevalent though is intentional voter disenfranchisement keeping people from voting and gerrymandering.

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dragontamer 6y ago

Presumably, the issue is baseless accusations in general. It doesn't matter what side a baseless claim happens: its bad either way. Dominion Voting Systems must prove that Rudy Giuliani was making up information to succeed in this court case. Unfortunately, defamation is surprisingly hard to win in the USA (which is why the US's Tabloid media can get so far with so many claims). Dominion Voting Systems is not a public figure however, its a company. That... probably makes it easier to win this case. Still, if Dominion's lawyers think that this case is worth pursuing (despite the difficulty of defamation / libel / slander), that doesn't bode well for Rudy.

astrange 6y ago
A company can be a public figure.

ardy42 6y ago

> Won’t baseless accusations of no voter fraud undermine the confidence even more? > After all, is there any evidence for voter fraud in Russia? The accusations of there being no voter fraud in the 2020 US election fraud aren't baseless: all the verification checks have passed, and for that to happen and fraud to have occurred would require a conspiracy of unbelievable scale and secrecy. Also, the claims that there is fraud are not just baseless, they're incoherent. While Russia may make baseless claims their elections are fair, there's more than enough evidence to disbelieve them (like how they disqualify and murder their political opponents).