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Good thing Dominion voting machines do leave an auditable paper trail, which was hand-audited in all of these disputed states and which verified the electronica

Good thing Dominion voting machines do leave an auditable paper trail, which was hand-audited in all of these disputed states and which verified the electronically-reported results.

throwaway23242 6y ago
what about reports out of michigan that audit trails / logs were missing for election night? https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_m...
- CydeWeys 6y ago
  Do you have a link to anything that has been established as true in court? Because that link is pants-on-fire lying: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/04/russell-james-ramsland-jr/affidavit-michigan-lawsuit-seeking-overturn-electi/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/04/russell-ja...
  - throwaway23242 6y ago
    oh, cabal fact checkers seem to say this link is garbage (do they though?). i will flog myself and pledge allegiance to the cabal to repent.
    - gamblor956 6y ago
      Even a cursory review of the Ramsland report you linked to indicates it was largely fiction. From the politifact review: Ramsland lists "Fenton" without specifying Fenton City or Fenton Township. But the turnout Ramsland lists for Fenton does not match the turnout in either jurisdiction. The actual turnout statistics reveal the inaccuracy of Ramsland’s numbers. His figure for North Muskegon is off by a factor of 10: The actual number is 78.11%, not 781.91%. For Zeeland Charter Township, he inflated the turnout nearly sixfold. For Grout Township and the City of Muskegon, his number is more than triple the correct number.
      - throwaway10923 6y ago
        "A staggering number of votes required adjudication.This was a 2020 issue not seen in previous election cycles stillstored on the server.This is caused by intentional errors in the system. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots withno oversight, no transparency or audit trail. Our examination of the server logs indicates that this high error rate was incongruent with patterns from previous years. The statement attributing these issues to human error is not consistent with the forensic evaluation, which points more correctly to systemic machineand/or softwareerrors. The systemicerrors are intentionally designed to create errors in order to push a high volume of ballots to bulkadjudication" " Antrim County failed to properly update its system. A purposeful lack ofproviding basic computer security updates in the system software and hardware demonstrates incompetence, gross negligence, bad faith, and/or willful non-compliance in providing the fundamental system securityrequired by federal and state law. There is no way this election management system could have passed tests or have been legally certified to conduct the 2020 elections in Michigan under the current laws. According to the National Conference of State Legislatures –Michigan requires full compliance with federal standards as determined by a federally accredited voting system laboratory " " Significantly, the computer system shows vote adjudication logs for prior years; but all adjudication log entries for the 2020 election cycle are missing. The adjudication process is the simplest way to manually manipulate votes. The lack of recordsprevents any form of audit accountability, and their conspicuous absence is extremely suspicious since the files exist for previous years using the same software. Removal of these files violates state law and prevents a meaningful audit, even if the Secretary wanted to conduct an audit. We must conclude that the 2020 election cycle records have been manually removed. " so this is just made up?
        gamblor956 6y ago
        Yes, all made up. First paragraph: simply made up by Ramsland, by basically treating all the times a ballot was entered incorrectly (such as upside down) as a vote requiring adjudication. Second paragraph: False. The person in charge of updating the system...was a Republican. Also, the voting machines were in compliance with federal voting system standards. The machine that was not updated prior to the election was the computer that the voting machines connected to, which was updated after the election during vote tabulation. (A hand recount of the paper receipts printed on Election Day confirmed the post-update count.) Third paragraph: Also fiction, and quite literally contradicts your first paragraph. (They can't both possibly be true; either the adjudication logs were there and there were a lot of adjudicated votes, or they weren't, and the first paragraph is made up.) Also, the machines were audited after the election...by Republicans. On a further note, neither NASA or MIT has any record of Ramsland or any of his companies, doing any work for them as he claims (and which forms the basis of his supposed technical expertise).
    - dang 6y ago
      We've banned this account for ideological flamewar. Not what this site is for. Please don't create accounts to break HN's guidelines with—it will eventually get your main account banned as well. In case anyone's worried about it, yes, we ban accounts for this regardless of which ideology they're flaming for. It's an existential issue for HN; we'd rather not burn to a crisp, regardless of the color of the flames. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- tptacek 6y ago
  https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/audit-in-michigan-county-refutes-dominion-conspiracy-theory/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/audit-in-michigan-county-r...
- gilbetron 6y ago
  False reports based on hearsay. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/audit-in-michigan-county-refutes-dominion-conspiracy-theory/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/audit-in-michigan-county-r...
- deleted 6y ago
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- DonHopkins 6y ago
  How about you throw away your actual HN account too, because people who spread long debunked baseless conspiracy theories aren't welcome here. Good to see you're at least embarrassed to admit who you actually are. That's the first step to realizing you're been fed lies and brainwashed. Go find something to believe in that you're not embarrassed to associate with your true identity.

Good thing Dominion voting machines do leave an auditable paper trail, which was hand-audited in all of these disputed states and which verified the electronically-reported results.

throwaway23242 6y ago

what about reports out of michigan that audit trails / logs were missing for election night? https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_m...

CydeWeys 6y ago
Do you have a link to anything that has been established as true in court? Because that link is pants-on-fire lying: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/04/russell-james-ramsland-jr/affidavit-michigan-lawsuit-seeking-overturn-electi/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/04/russell-ja...
- throwaway23242 6y ago
  oh, cabal fact checkers seem to say this link is garbage (do they though?). i will flog myself and pledge allegiance to the cabal to repent.
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    Even a cursory review of the Ramsland report you linked to indicates it was largely fiction. From the politifact review: Ramsland lists "Fenton" without specifying Fenton City or Fenton Township. But the turnout Ramsland lists for Fenton does not match the turnout in either jurisdiction. The actual turnout statistics reveal the inaccuracy of Ramsland’s numbers. His figure for North Muskegon is off by a factor of 10: The actual number is 78.11%, not 781.91%. For Zeeland Charter Township, he inflated the turnout nearly sixfold. For Grout Township and the City of Muskegon, his number is more than triple the correct number.
    - throwaway10923 6y ago
      "A staggering number of votes required adjudication.This was a 2020 issue not seen in previous election cycles stillstored on the server.This is caused by intentional errors in the system. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots withno oversight, no transparency or audit trail. Our examination of the server logs indicates that this high error rate was incongruent with patterns from previous years. The statement attributing these issues to human error is not consistent with the forensic evaluation, which points more correctly to systemic machineand/or softwareerrors. The systemicerrors are intentionally designed to create errors in order to push a high volume of ballots to bulkadjudication" " Antrim County failed to properly update its system. A purposeful lack ofproviding basic computer security updates in the system software and hardware demonstrates incompetence, gross negligence, bad faith, and/or willful non-compliance in providing the fundamental system securityrequired by federal and state law. There is no way this election management system could have passed tests or have been legally certified to conduct the 2020 elections in Michigan under the current laws. According to the National Conference of State Legislatures –Michigan requires full compliance with federal standards as determined by a federally accredited voting system laboratory " " Significantly, the computer system shows vote adjudication logs for prior years; but all adjudication log entries for the 2020 election cycle are missing. The adjudication process is the simplest way to manually manipulate votes. The lack of recordsprevents any form of audit accountability, and their conspicuous absence is extremely suspicious since the files exist for previous years using the same software. Removal of these files violates state law and prevents a meaningful audit, even if the Secretary wanted to conduct an audit. We must conclude that the 2020 election cycle records have been manually removed. " so this is just made up?
      - gamblor956 6y ago
        Yes, all made up. First paragraph: simply made up by Ramsland, by basically treating all the times a ballot was entered incorrectly (such as upside down) as a vote requiring adjudication. Second paragraph: False. The person in charge of updating the system...was a Republican. Also, the voting machines were in compliance with federal voting system standards. The machine that was not updated prior to the election was the computer that the voting machines connected to, which was updated after the election during vote tabulation. (A hand recount of the paper receipts printed on Election Day confirmed the post-update count.) Third paragraph: Also fiction, and quite literally contradicts your first paragraph. (They can't both possibly be true; either the adjudication logs were there and there were a lot of adjudicated votes, or they weren't, and the first paragraph is made up.) Also, the machines were audited after the election...by Republicans. On a further note, neither NASA or MIT has any record of Ramsland or any of his companies, doing any work for them as he claims (and which forms the basis of his supposed technical expertise).
  - dang 6y ago
    We've banned this account for ideological flamewar. Not what this site is for. Please don't create accounts to break HN's guidelines with—it will eventually get your main account banned as well. In case anyone's worried about it, yes, we ban accounts for this regardless of which ideology they're flaming for. It's an existential issue for HN; we'd rather not burn to a crisp, regardless of the color of the flames. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
tptacek 6y ago
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/audit-in-michigan-county-refutes-dominion-conspiracy-theory/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/audit-in-michigan-county-r...
gilbetron 6y ago
False reports based on hearsay. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/audit-in-michigan-county-refutes-dominion-conspiracy-theory/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/audit-in-michigan-county-r...
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DonHopkins 6y ago
How about you throw away your actual HN account too, because people who spread long debunked baseless conspiracy theories aren't welcome here. Good to see you're at least embarrassed to admit who you actually are. That's the first step to realizing you're been fed lies and brainwashed. Go find something to believe in that you're not embarrassed to associate with your true identity.