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I’d be much more worried about the absolutely insane nonsense that Giuliani and his ilk have been spewing. That is far more damaging to voting machine research

I’d be much more worried about the absolutely insane nonsense that Giuliani and his ilk have been spewing. That is far more damaging to voting machine research than this lawsuit.

AzzieElbab 6y ago
Wasn’t that the kraken thing that Giuliani wasn’t really involved with?
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  The claims Giuliani made against Dominion and it's voting equipment is verbose in articles related to this topic, as well as the case filing.
- loonster 6y ago
  He wasn't. That was a Sidney Powell thing. I think this 4chan Post describes the Kraken very well: http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/301180971/#301180971 http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/301180971/#301180971 >This is my contribution to the Trump team's legal case against election fraud. The Kraken was a crowdsourced legal case that they were building with the help of hundreds of volunteer experts, but most of it never got to see the light of day. We were explicitly told not to release any information to the public because that could undermine their case, since it would expose our work to the ongoing media slander campaign and allow the defense to more easily prepare counterarguments. Clearly that's no longer a concern, so I'm publicly releasing my contribution to the case. >Interactive Colab notebook with code and full replication of findings: https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1PwiipIQif63EMCxGFYA9jAjL-8Y5cCE1?usp=sharing https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1PwiipIQif63EMCxGFYA... >The key takeaway of this analysis is that the Biden vs. Trump advantage of a vote tally reporting batch is highly (i.e. extremely) correlated with meta information about the counting process itself. This implies that if you counted the votes a different way you would have gotten a different final total, which is absolutely preposterous and a clear indicator of fraud. Additionally, we don't see this happen
  - tptacek 6y ago
    In case anyone else was about to waste a couple minutes of their life that they will never get back, a quick warning that you will never get the minutes of your life back that you lose paging through this very silly Python notebook, which was very clearly created to snow people who don't know what a Python notebook looks like.
TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
As long as potentially hackable voting machines are used in elections, the anxiety about hacking will be there and will eventually be exploited by politicians. If we want to fix the issue, we really just need to move back to hand counting paper ballots.
- CydeWeys 6y ago
  Dominion voting machines leave an auditable paper trail and thus do support hand-counting of paper ballots, which was done as part of the recounts in disputed states. No discrepancies beyond the margin of error of hand counting were found in those recounts vs the electronically reported results. You can see how they work in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9BDiO3JGTs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9BDiO3JGTs
  - TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
    I'm not saying they were hacked. I'm saying the layman needs to be confident beyond a reasonable doubt. A normal non-security professional needs to understand and have confidence in the system they use to vote. Most people don't even know how to troubleshoot computer issues beyond rebooting, let alone understanding complex IT security or auditing measures put in place for these machines.
    - Me1000 6y ago
      If you watch the video you can see that a layman would easily understand how it all works. It literally prints a ballot where you can verify your choices, and you drop it off. This is pretty much the gold standard: a paper trail that can be audited every step of the process.
  - tunesmith 6y ago
    Still not sufficient though, you only need to hack enough to get outside the automatic recount margin. You also need hand-recount of random samples in all elections.

I’d be much more worried about the absolutely insane nonsense that Giuliani and his ilk have been spewing. That is far more damaging to voting machine research than this lawsuit.

AzzieElbab 6y ago

Wasn’t that the kraken thing that Giuliani wasn’t really involved with?

toomuchtodo 6y ago
The claims Giuliani made against Dominion and it's voting equipment is verbose in articles related to this topic, as well as the case filing.
loonster 6y ago
He wasn't. That was a Sidney Powell thing. I think this 4chan Post describes the Kraken very well: http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/301180971/#301180971 http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/301180971/#301180971 >This is my contribution to the Trump team's legal case against election fraud. The Kraken was a crowdsourced legal case that they were building with the help of hundreds of volunteer experts, but most of it never got to see the light of day. We were explicitly told not to release any information to the public because that could undermine their case, since it would expose our work to the ongoing media slander campaign and allow the defense to more easily prepare counterarguments. Clearly that's no longer a concern, so I'm publicly releasing my contribution to the case. >Interactive Colab notebook with code and full replication of findings: https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1PwiipIQif63EMCxGFYA9jAjL-8Y5cCE1?usp=sharing https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1PwiipIQif63EMCxGFYA... >The key takeaway of this analysis is that the Biden vs. Trump advantage of a vote tally reporting batch is highly (i.e. extremely) correlated with meta information about the counting process itself. This implies that if you counted the votes a different way you would have gotten a different final total, which is absolutely preposterous and a clear indicator of fraud. Additionally, we don't see this happen
- tptacek 6y ago
  In case anyone else was about to waste a couple minutes of their life that they will never get back, a quick warning that you will never get the minutes of your life back that you lose paging through this very silly Python notebook, which was very clearly created to snow people who don't know what a Python notebook looks like.

TheAdamAndChe 6y ago

As long as potentially hackable voting machines are used in elections, the anxiety about hacking will be there and will eventually be exploited by politicians. If we want to fix the issue, we really just need to move back to hand counting paper ballots.

CydeWeys 6y ago
Dominion voting machines leave an auditable paper trail and thus do support hand-counting of paper ballots, which was done as part of the recounts in disputed states. No discrepancies beyond the margin of error of hand counting were found in those recounts vs the electronically reported results. You can see how they work in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9BDiO3JGTs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9BDiO3JGTs
- TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
  I'm not saying they were hacked. I'm saying the layman needs to be confident beyond a reasonable doubt. A normal non-security professional needs to understand and have confidence in the system they use to vote. Most people don't even know how to troubleshoot computer issues beyond rebooting, let alone understanding complex IT security or auditing measures put in place for these machines.
  - Me1000 6y ago
    If you watch the video you can see that a layman would easily understand how it all works. It literally prints a ballot where you can verify your choices, and you drop it off. This is pretty much the gold standard: a paper trail that can be audited every step of the process.
- tunesmith 6y ago
  Still not sufficient though, you only need to hack enough to get outside the automatic recount margin. You also need hand-recount of random samples in all elections.