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Show HN: Micro – A platform for cloud native development in Go

44 points by asim 6y ago

rpmuller 6y ago
Isn't there [another editor](https://github.com/zyedidia/micro https://github.com/zyedidia/micro) written in golang called 'micro'?
- f430 6y ago
  I guess we are just going to see more cases of overlapping branding for FOSS unless they have the money to register a trademark tbh. I started to distinguish projects via their github handle, it is the only way to avoid confusion.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > I guess we are just going to see more cases of overlapping branding for FOSS This isn’t FOSS, its offered under a proprietary shared-source license.
f430 6y ago
It's a hard sell for me at least. The downside to this is that it's tied to Google Cloud and requires learning Go while AWS has been offering this for years with a familiar language. edit: its not tied to GCE but how would this convince someone already on AWS to make the switch?
- pantulis 6y ago
  After cursory reading the docs, I do not feel that it's tied to GCP, only Kubernetes. It could be a nice starter kit, but obviously I would not recommend migrating to it just because.
- asim 6y ago
  It is not tied to Google Cloud. Micro runs locally by default using standard Go and linux processes. It also supports kubernetes for what we now deem as a more production grade cloud environment.
sneak 6y ago
I like this a lot, but am prevented from using it by the fact that it is not open source/free software, from my reading of the license.
- cy_hauser 6y ago
  Do you philosophically oppose the license or is it because your application might compete?
  - sneak 6y ago
    I don't use nonfree software when I can avoid doing so, personally. Professionally, I assiduously avoid using it ever in important server infrastructure, such as anything "cloud native".
mzi 6y ago
The license[0] for this project might be problematic. It is worded very vague and far reaching. [0]: https://github.com/micro/micro/blob/master/LICENSE https://github.com/micro/micro/blob/master/LICENSE
- asim 6y ago
  The current status in open source licensing in relation to cloud providers such as AWS should signal why the choice was made to move to using Polyform Shield. Its drafted by Heather Meeker, a lawyer with vast experience in this space who has drafted many of the other custom licences for the commercial open source businesses. We are in desperate need of licensing standardisation for commercial open source that moves beyond custom drafting or AGPL, etc. In this case, having spoke to Heather we chose to adopt Polyform and think others will too in time.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    This is a commercial license, but it's not even a remote approximation of “open source”, so the references to “commercial open source” and comparisons to the AGPL (which is a copyleft open source license) are misleading.
    - zapita 6y ago
      The source is openly accessible, openly developed, and you can fork it if you don’t like it. It’s definitely open source.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        https://opensource.org/osd https://opensource.org/osd “6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research.” vs. https://github.com/micro/micro/blob/master/LICENSE https://github.com/micro/micro/blob/master/LICENSE “## Noncompete Any purpose is a permitted purpose, except for providing any product that competes with the software or any product the licensor or any of its affiliates provides using the software. ## Competition Goods and services compete even when they provide functionality through different kinds of interfaces or for different technical platforms. Applications can compete with services, libraries with plugins, frameworks with development tools, and so on, even if they’re written in different programming languages or for different computer architectures. Goods and services compete even when provided free of charge. If you market a product as a practical substitute for the software or another product, it definitely competes. ## New Products If you are using the software to provide a product that does not compete, but the licensor or any of its affiliates brings your product into competition by providing a new version of the software or another product using the software, you may continue using versions of the software available under these terms beforehand to provide your competing product, but not any later versions. ## Discontinued Products You may begin using the software to compete with a product or service that the licensor or any of its affiliates has stopped providing, unless the licensor includes a plain-text line beginning with `Licensor Line of Business:` with the software that mentions that line of business. Licensor Line of Business: M3O (https://m3o.com https://m3o.com) ## Sales of Business If the licensor or any of its affiliates sells a line of business developing the software or using the software to provide a product, the buyer can also enforce [Noncompete](#noncompete) for that product.”
sagichmal 6y ago
Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25236552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25236552 Micro – a self hosted cloud platform for API driven services development (2 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25044604 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25044604 Micro 3.0 is a platform for cloud native development (3 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24999682 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24999682 Micro 3.0 Released (3 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24999036 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24999036 Show HN: Micro 3.0 (M3O) – a platform for cloud native development (3 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23081544 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23081544 Announcing: M3O – A Micro services development platform (9 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23067233 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23067233 Micro Server (9 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23070042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23070042 Show HN: Micro Server – run and manage microservices locally and in the cloud (9 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22200647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22200647 Show HN: Micro v2.0.0 (12 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21562859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21562859 What is Micro? It's just the future of microservices development (1 year ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21491378 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21491378 Show HN: Go Micro – A Go microservices development framework (1 year ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19545615 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19545615 Micro – the microservice toolkit 1.0.0 release and beyond (2 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12178690 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12178690 Micro – A microservice ecosystem (4 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11930775 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11930775 Show HN: Micro – a microservice toolkit at Go Meetup London [video+slides] (5 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11710611 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11710611 Building Resilient and Fault Tolerant Applications with Micro (5 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11706540 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11706540 Building Resilient and Fault Tolerant Applications with Micro (5 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11564021 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11564021 The Micro Bot – ChatOps for Microservices (5 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11518847 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11518847 Micro architecture and design patterns for microservices (5 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11471004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11471004 Micro on NATS – microservices with messaging (5 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11327679 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11327679 Show HN: Micro – a microservice toolkit (5 years ago)
jokethrowaway 6y ago
Spoken as someone who doesn't like Go one bit - why would I ever need this? Can't I just use any web framework I like in Go and the official gRPC libray? Conversely, can't I just do the same in whatever language my company is using? What is micro offering - a part from an additional middleman in my dependency list I need to security vet?
aryamaan 6y ago
Tangent from the discussion: I am thinking to start using to develop some side projects. What are the industry practices in terms of which libraries to use? Could someone share light on their setup.
- dougbarrett 6y ago
  For Go, there is no industry standard yet, but I've been using Echo for years now and love it. I also use Gorm for handling dealing with MySQL, both have made development in Go extremely productive for me. From what I've heard from other Go developers, and what I've seen personally, is the library you use doesn't matter too much. They'll all offer their own benefits but because it's so easy to dig into the source to see what's going on underneath the hood, it makes picking up someones code easier than it would in other languages.

44 points by asim 6y ago

Isn't there [another editor](https://github.com/zyedidia/micro https://github.com/zyedidia/micro) written in golang called 'micro'?

f430 6y ago
I guess we are just going to see more cases of overlapping branding for FOSS unless they have the money to register a trademark tbh. I started to distinguish projects via their github handle, it is the only way to avoid confusion.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > I guess we are just going to see more cases of overlapping branding for FOSS This isn’t FOSS, its offered under a proprietary shared-source license.

f430 6y ago

It's a hard sell for me at least. The downside to this is that it's tied to Google Cloud and requires learning Go while AWS has been offering this for years with a familiar language. edit: its not tied to GCE but how would this convince someone already on AWS to make the switch?

pantulis 6y ago
After cursory reading the docs, I do not feel that it's tied to GCP, only Kubernetes. It could be a nice starter kit, but obviously I would not recommend migrating to it just because.
asim 6y ago
It is not tied to Google Cloud. Micro runs locally by default using standard Go and linux processes. It also supports kubernetes for what we now deem as a more production grade cloud environment.

sneak 6y ago

I like this a lot, but am prevented from using it by the fact that it is not open source/free software, from my reading of the license.

cy_hauser 6y ago
Do you philosophically oppose the license or is it because your application might compete?
- sneak 6y ago
  I don't use nonfree software when I can avoid doing so, personally. Professionally, I assiduously avoid using it ever in important server infrastructure, such as anything "cloud native".

mzi 6y ago

The license[0] for this project might be problematic. It is worded very vague and far reaching. [0]: https://github.com/micro/micro/blob/master/LICENSE https://github.com/micro/micro/blob/master/LICENSE

asim 6y ago
The current status in open source licensing in relation to cloud providers such as AWS should signal why the choice was made to move to using Polyform Shield. Its drafted by Heather Meeker, a lawyer with vast experience in this space who has drafted many of the other custom licences for the commercial open source businesses. We are in desperate need of licensing standardisation for commercial open source that moves beyond custom drafting or AGPL, etc. In this case, having spoke to Heather we chose to adopt Polyform and think others will too in time.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  This is a commercial license, but it's not even a remote approximation of “open source”, so the references to “commercial open source” and comparisons to the AGPL (which is a copyleft open source license) are misleading.
  - zapita 6y ago
    The source is openly accessible, openly developed, and you can fork it if you don’t like it. It’s definitely open source.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      https://opensource.org/osd https://opensource.org/osd “6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research.” vs. https://github.com/micro/micro/blob/master/LICENSE https://github.com/micro/micro/blob/master/LICENSE “## Noncompete Any purpose is a permitted purpose, except for providing any product that competes with the software or any product the licensor or any of its affiliates provides using the software. ## Competition Goods and services compete even when they provide functionality through different kinds of interfaces or for different technical platforms. Applications can compete with services, libraries with plugins, frameworks with development tools, and so on, even if they’re written in different programming languages or for different computer architectures. Goods and services compete even when provided free of charge. If you market a product as a practical substitute for the software or another product, it definitely competes. ## New Products If you are using the software to provide a product that does not compete, but the licensor or any of its affiliates brings your product into competition by providing a new version of the software or another product using the software, you may continue using versions of the software available under these terms beforehand to provide your competing product, but not any later versions. ## Discontinued Products You may begin using the software to compete with a product or service that the licensor or any of its affiliates has stopped providing, unless the licensor includes a plain-text line beginning with `Licensor Line of Business:` with the software that mentions that line of business. Licensor Line of Business: M3O (https://m3o.com https://m3o.com) ## Sales of Business If the licensor or any of its affiliates sells a line of business developing the software or using the software to provide a product, the buyer can also enforce [Noncompete](#noncompete) for that product.”

sagichmal 6y ago

Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25236552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25236552 Micro – a self hosted cloud platform for API driven services development (2 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25044604 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25044604 Micro 3.0 is a platform for cloud native development (3 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24999682 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24999682 Micro 3.0 Released (3 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24999036 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24999036 Show HN: Micro 3.0 (M3O) – a platform for cloud native development (3 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23081544 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23081544 Announcing: M3O – A Micro services development platform (9 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23067233 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23067233 Micro Server (9 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23070042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23070042 Show HN: Micro Server – run and manage microservices locally and in the cloud (9 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22200647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22200647 Show HN: Micro v2.0.0 (12 months ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21562859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21562859 What is Micro? It's just the future of microservices development (1 year ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21491378 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21491378 Show HN: Go Micro – A Go microservices development framework (1 year ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19545615 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19545615 Micro – the microservice toolkit 1.0.0 release and beyond (2 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12178690 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12178690 Micro – A microservice ecosystem (4 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11930775 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11930775 Show HN: Micro – a microservice toolkit at Go Meetup London [video+slides] (5 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11710611 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11710611 Building Resilient and Fault Tolerant Applications with Micro (5 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11706540 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11706540 Building Resilient and Fault Tolerant Applications with Micro (5 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11564021 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11564021 The Micro Bot – ChatOps for Microservices (5 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11518847 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11518847 Micro architecture and design patterns for microservices (5 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11471004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11471004 Micro on NATS – microservices with messaging (5 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11327679 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11327679 Show HN: Micro – a microservice toolkit (5 years ago)

jokethrowaway 6y ago

Spoken as someone who doesn't like Go one bit - why would I ever need this? Can't I just use any web framework I like in Go and the official gRPC libray? Conversely, can't I just do the same in whatever language my company is using? What is micro offering - a part from an additional middleman in my dependency list I need to security vet?

aryamaan 6y ago

Tangent from the discussion: I am thinking to start using to develop some side projects. What are the industry practices in terms of which libraries to use? Could someone share light on their setup.

dougbarrett 6y ago
For Go, there is no industry standard yet, but I've been using Echo for years now and love it. I also use Gorm for handling dealing with MySQL, both have made development in Go extremely productive for me. From what I've heard from other Go developers, and what I've seen personally, is the library you use doesn't matter too much. They'll all offer their own benefits but because it's so easy to dig into the source to see what's going on underneath the hood, it makes picking up someones code easier than it would in other languages.