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Then hopefully suffer more than 45 minutes of guilt for the externalities of your decision, including the likely fact that your delivery person is not making a

Then hopefully suffer more than 45 minutes of guilt for the externalities of your decision, including the likely fact that your delivery person is not making a living wage. Why not walk to your neighborhood store and buy something from a fellow citizens in your own community? Bonus points if you manage to find a replacement for an import made by a local company.

user-the-name 6y ago
Wolt does pay couriers decently, and carbon compensates deliveries. And the order comes from local shops.
- kakoni 6y ago
  So do you think in Finland 13-14e hourly charge rate for self-employed entrepreneur is a decent rate?
  - Arkku 6y ago
    What is your source for this rate? Based on limited knowledge (e.g., the Finnish YouTuber who tried working as Wolt courier for a couple of days, and the recent articles about the courier who is trying to earn 8000e in January delivering with Wolt), it seems that the rate _when actually making deliveries_ is higher. I might be willing to accept that this quoted figure is the hourly rate when the courier is technically available for deliveries but not getting them all the time. So, the hourly rate would go up if more people made delivery orders, because there would be less downtime… Of course nothing prevents the self-employed couriers from doing other work in the meantime, e.g., delivering for another company or working on some personal project (studying comes to mind as a thing that can be done during downtime). Now, admittedly if they were employees, they would be paid by the hour whether there were orders or not, but then both their salary and the number of couriers on duty would have to be adjusted accordingly, which means the majority of couriers would lose this job… Not a simple matter, IMO, I think there is a gap in legislation when it comes to this type of work.
    - kakoni 6y ago
      For instance from this story ” Woltin mukaan Woltin kaikkien lähettien keskimääräinen laskutus on nykyään nykyään 13,44 euroa tunnilta.” (Source: https://www.is.fi/taloussanomat/art-2000006312759.html https://www.is.fi/taloussanomat/art-2000006312759.html) Most on these ”can earn so many thousands per month” seem to follow same formula 1) Assumes that somebody works >12h per day, 6-7 days per week and 2) Mixes salary and self-employed hourly rate
flyinglizard 6y ago
Wolt couriers in Israel make 3-4 times the minimum wage when all is said and done.
- names_are_hard 6y ago
  I'm not doubting you but if you have a source for this (Hebrew is fine) I'd appreciate it. This topic has come up in conversation before and I'd like some more info on this.
  - flyinglizard 6y ago
    Maybe this: https://www.meshekil.com/ReadNews/hMLbbgJ2C-%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%98%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%9B%D7%A8-%D7%91%D7%95%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%98 https://www.meshekil.com/ReadNews/hMLbbgJ2C-%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%...
citrus1330 6y ago
I would say any wage is better than no wage at all, which is what delivery people make if there are no deliveries.
yrimaxi 6y ago
Chances are that you spend more time than that feeling resentful that the big bad strangers on the internet don’t feel even a pang of shame just because you told them to.

user-the-name 6y ago

Wolt does pay couriers decently, and carbon compensates deliveries. And the order comes from local shops.

kakoni 6y ago
So do you think in Finland 13-14e hourly charge rate for self-employed entrepreneur is a decent rate?
- Arkku 6y ago
  What is your source for this rate? Based on limited knowledge (e.g., the Finnish YouTuber who tried working as Wolt courier for a couple of days, and the recent articles about the courier who is trying to earn 8000e in January delivering with Wolt), it seems that the rate _when actually making deliveries_ is higher. I might be willing to accept that this quoted figure is the hourly rate when the courier is technically available for deliveries but not getting them all the time. So, the hourly rate would go up if more people made delivery orders, because there would be less downtime… Of course nothing prevents the self-employed couriers from doing other work in the meantime, e.g., delivering for another company or working on some personal project (studying comes to mind as a thing that can be done during downtime). Now, admittedly if they were employees, they would be paid by the hour whether there were orders or not, but then both their salary and the number of couriers on duty would have to be adjusted accordingly, which means the majority of couriers would lose this job… Not a simple matter, IMO, I think there is a gap in legislation when it comes to this type of work.
  - kakoni 6y ago
    For instance from this story ” Woltin mukaan Woltin kaikkien lähettien keskimääräinen laskutus on nykyään nykyään 13,44 euroa tunnilta.” (Source: https://www.is.fi/taloussanomat/art-2000006312759.html https://www.is.fi/taloussanomat/art-2000006312759.html) Most on these ”can earn so many thousands per month” seem to follow same formula 1) Assumes that somebody works >12h per day, 6-7 days per week and 2) Mixes salary and self-employed hourly rate

flyinglizard 6y ago

Wolt couriers in Israel make 3-4 times the minimum wage when all is said and done.

names_are_hard 6y ago
I'm not doubting you but if you have a source for this (Hebrew is fine) I'd appreciate it. This topic has come up in conversation before and I'd like some more info on this.
- flyinglizard 6y ago
  Maybe this: https://www.meshekil.com/ReadNews/hMLbbgJ2C-%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%98%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%9B%D7%A8-%D7%91%D7%95%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%98 https://www.meshekil.com/ReadNews/hMLbbgJ2C-%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%...

citrus1330 6y ago

I would say any wage is better than no wage at all, which is what delivery people make if there are no deliveries.

yrimaxi 6y ago

Chances are that you spend more time than that feeling resentful that the big bad strangers on the internet don’t feel even a pang of shame just because you told them to.