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better air quality, reduced risk of lung disease, longer, better lives?

ThomPete 6y ago
The air quality in the west is better than it is in much less developed areas of the world. People live longer because of the use of fossil fuel and can live better lives spending less time on basic things like creating food and managing shelter to stay alive and they have more time doing meaningful things. Fossil fuel industry is the industry that have made it possible for us to live longer, and feed as many people as we want while at the same time making the environments much cleaner over time.
- africanboy 6y ago
  > than it is in much less developed areas of the world I believe Amazonia air quality is much better than air quality in Milan (where I lived for 10 years). https://www.iqair.com/italy/lombardy/milano https://www.iqair.com/italy/lombardy/milano > Fossil fuel industry is the industry that have made it possible for us to live longer I'm not at war with fossil fuel industry, I was simply answering to this question > what deductions are we giving for the positive externalities? My dad worked in pulmonary oncology for 35 years, I think that better air quality, less lung disease and better overall environment is a reward itself, that's the prize we get for positive externalities (and in case of EVs the State incentives, in Italy they are up to 10k euros if you buy a new EV car and get rid of an old ICE one).
  - ThomPete 6y ago
    I was talking about the deductions for positive externalities of fossile fuel.
    - africanboy 6y ago
      > I was talking about the deductions for positive externalities of fossile fuel. There have been State incentives for at least two decades to buy new cars that produced less emissions on fossil fuels. Fossil fuel industry benefitted of enormous deductions for over a century for their contribution to the industrial revolutions. For example they never pay for the disasters they create [0][1]. [0] The oil spill of the Exxon Valdez in 1989 only costed $ 125 million to Exxon https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/united-states-and-state-alaska-opt-not-recover-additional-damages-exxon-mobil-under-reopener https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/united-states-and-state-alask... [1] even when they paid a just fine (like the 60 billion BP paid for the spill in the Gulf of Mexico) it's peanuts compared to the environmental damages that the future generations will inherit (the mangroves still carry the damages from the Ixtoc spill of 1979, 40 years later) Ixtoc soiled hundreds of miles of beaches, all the way to Texas. The fishermen also said that oysters that used to be found clinging to the mangrove roots seemed to have vanished after the spill and never returned.

The air quality in the west is better than it is in much less developed areas of the world. People live longer because of the use of fossil fuel and can live better lives spending less time on basic things like creating food and managing shelter to stay alive and they have more time doing meaningful things. Fossil fuel industry is the industry that have made it possible for us to live longer, and feed as many people as we want while at the same time making the environments much cleaner over time.

africanboy 6y ago
> than it is in much less developed areas of the world I believe Amazonia air quality is much better than air quality in Milan (where I lived for 10 years). https://www.iqair.com/italy/lombardy/milano https://www.iqair.com/italy/lombardy/milano > Fossil fuel industry is the industry that have made it possible for us to live longer I'm not at war with fossil fuel industry, I was simply answering to this question > what deductions are we giving for the positive externalities? My dad worked in pulmonary oncology for 35 years, I think that better air quality, less lung disease and better overall environment is a reward itself, that's the prize we get for positive externalities (and in case of EVs the State incentives, in Italy they are up to 10k euros if you buy a new EV car and get rid of an old ICE one).
- ThomPete 6y ago
  I was talking about the deductions for positive externalities of fossile fuel.
  - africanboy 6y ago
    > I was talking about the deductions for positive externalities of fossile fuel. There have been State incentives for at least two decades to buy new cars that produced less emissions on fossil fuels. Fossil fuel industry benefitted of enormous deductions for over a century for their contribution to the industrial revolutions. For example they never pay for the disasters they create [0][1]. [0] The oil spill of the Exxon Valdez in 1989 only costed $ 125 million to Exxon https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/united-states-and-state-alaska-opt-not-recover-additional-damages-exxon-mobil-under-reopener https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/united-states-and-state-alask... [1] even when they paid a just fine (like the 60 billion BP paid for the spill in the Gulf of Mexico) it's peanuts compared to the environmental damages that the future generations will inherit (the mangroves still carry the damages from the Ixtoc spill of 1979, 40 years later) Ixtoc soiled hundreds of miles of beaches, all the way to Texas. The fishermen also said that oysters that used to be found clinging to the mangrove roots seemed to have vanished after the spill and never returned.