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That's not true. Even with coal, the end-to-end emissions are better with electric cars. Proof: Poland is 800gCO₂/kWh [1]. With an average electric car (i.e. m
by Faaak 6y ago
That's not true. Even with coal, the end-to-end emissions are better with electric cars.
Proof: Poland is 800gCO₂/kWh [1]. With an average electric car (i.e. my hyundai ioniq), you average 11kWh/100km, or .11kWh/km. Taking emissions into account, that gives us 88gCO₂/km.
A VW golf is 120gCO₂/km [2]
[1]: https://www.electricitymap.org/map https://www.electricitymap.org/map
[2]: https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/cars/Car-CO2-and-fuel-economy-mpg-figures?manufacturer=volkswagen https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/cars/Car-CO2-and-fuel-economy-mp...
- ersiees 6y agoYou might have missed the production of EVs that causes more CO2 than that of diesel cars.
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- brianwawok 6y agoOver the 20 year service life of a car, operating costs dwarf production costs.
- cbmuser 6y agoWe were talking about emissions, not costs.
- brianwawok 6y agoExactly. If car A produces 1 tons of emissions to build, and 100 tons over its life, and car B produces 2 tons of emissions to build, and 50 tons over its life, car B is the better one for the environment. (52 < 101) Looking at emissions to build as a metric by itself is disingenuous, you should look at lifetime emissions instead.
- Tade0 6y ago11kWh is kind of generous - I mean I believe you, because I've been following a Facebook fanpage of an Ioniq owner in Poland and his numbers are very similar, but I think it's due to the car's amazing efficiency comparing to the competition. From a regular EV I would expect around 16.5kWh.
- cbmuser 6y agoYou are ignoring the high amount of emissions necessary to produce the battery. You have to compare the complete lifecycles, including production and recycling of the car.
- aembleton 6y agoAlso, that 120gCO₂/km doesn't take into account the CO₂ emissions for the electricity for the refinery to make the diesel. Or the transportation of the diesel.