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Central PA to northern New York is no big deal with the super charger network, I’ve done drives of that length. Tesla has offered access to their superchargers

Central PA to northern New York is no big deal with the super charger network, I’ve done drives of that length. Tesla has offered access to their superchargers, but legacy car companies haven’t taken them up on the offer. Day to day, Tesla’s are better than gas - you don’t have to deal with filling up ever or oil changes etc. Mid range road trips like you describe are also easy. Super long cross country trips are doable, but more of a pain since the time spent charging starts to add up (it is a lot cheaper though).

paul7986 6y ago
So my point is it's not the same UX and convenience that a gas car offers present day and for a few years or so. When it is then it makes sense for me to buy one. I'm happy to be driving a 2015 Nissan Sentra that is paid for.
- speedgoose 6y ago
  It depends. If you can charge at home or work it has been more convenient for many years.
- fossuser 6y ago
  I think it’s better UX and convenience on net today than a gas car and has been since the supercharger network was put in place. Daily driving and charging at home is much better than filling up and paying for gas. Trip supercharging adds 45min on a 300mi trip which is worth the trade off today for many. If you’re making really long trips all the time, your trade off calculation will vary. Most are not.
foepys 6y ago
> Tesla has offered access to their superchargers, but legacy car companies haven’t taken them up on the offer Probably because Tesla demanded something that they knew other manufacturers won't give them. They pulled the same PR stunt when they offered their pretty limited patent pool in exchange for all patents of the partaking manufacturers. Nobody wanted to take part because as a result Tesla would have had access to all patents while the others would only have had access to Tesla's patents. A pretty bad deal for everybody except Tesla.
- fossuser 6y ago
  I’m not sure how bad a deal that would have been for the legacy companies - I’d guess most of their patents are worthless (maybe good for defense). The legacy car companies are held back by the dealer model and failing to execute for ten years giving tesla a massive head start. I’m not sure they’ll be able to survive the transition. Refusing to support superchargers just makes whatever EVs they do come up with a non-starter. The Electrify America network sucks.
  - foepys 6y ago
    Those "legacy" companies are already selling more EV than Tesla in Norway. Norway taxes ICE to an extreme and was Tesla's PR example where they claimed to be the front-runner. In 2020 from January to October the Model 3 was behind the Audi e-Tron, VW's aging e-Golf, the VW ID.3, the Hyundai Kona, and the Nissan Leaf.
    - fossuser 6y ago
      Norway isn’t that big - a lot of the advantages tesla has don’t matter as much there so it’s not as easily comparable. Beyond that I don’t know the specifics (price in Norway, etc.)

paul7986 6y ago

So my point is it's not the same UX and convenience that a gas car offers present day and for a few years or so. When it is then it makes sense for me to buy one. I'm happy to be driving a 2015 Nissan Sentra that is paid for.

speedgoose 6y ago
It depends. If you can charge at home or work it has been more convenient for many years.
fossuser 6y ago
I think it’s better UX and convenience on net today than a gas car and has been since the supercharger network was put in place. Daily driving and charging at home is much better than filling up and paying for gas. Trip supercharging adds 45min on a 300mi trip which is worth the trade off today for many. If you’re making really long trips all the time, your trade off calculation will vary. Most are not.

foepys 6y ago

> Tesla has offered access to their superchargers, but legacy car companies haven’t taken them up on the offer Probably because Tesla demanded something that they knew other manufacturers won't give them. They pulled the same PR stunt when they offered their pretty limited patent pool in exchange for all patents of the partaking manufacturers. Nobody wanted to take part because as a result Tesla would have had access to all patents while the others would only have had access to Tesla's patents. A pretty bad deal for everybody except Tesla.

fossuser 6y ago
I’m not sure how bad a deal that would have been for the legacy companies - I’d guess most of their patents are worthless (maybe good for defense). The legacy car companies are held back by the dealer model and failing to execute for ten years giving tesla a massive head start. I’m not sure they’ll be able to survive the transition. Refusing to support superchargers just makes whatever EVs they do come up with a non-starter. The Electrify America network sucks.
- foepys 6y ago
  Those "legacy" companies are already selling more EV than Tesla in Norway. Norway taxes ICE to an extreme and was Tesla's PR example where they claimed to be the front-runner. In 2020 from January to October the Model 3 was behind the Audi e-Tron, VW's aging e-Golf, the VW ID.3, the Hyundai Kona, and the Nissan Leaf.
  - fossuser 6y ago
    Norway isn’t that big - a lot of the advantages tesla has don’t matter as much there so it’s not as easily comparable. Beyond that I don’t know the specifics (price in Norway, etc.)