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I personally think it should be longer than 15 years. Taking away 2 lives (which would have lived much longer) should have a retribution of more than 15 years.

I personally think it should be longer than 15 years. Taking away 2 lives (which would have lived much longer) should have a retribution of more than 15 years. Have you contemplated the insufferable loss of the two people's families? For no fault of their own, their child gets swiped away by some drunk driver who happens to be smart at math?

aaomidi 6y ago
And what does this accomplish?
- systemvoltage 6y ago
  For one, it would provide justice to those who suffered. You can argue an "eye-for-an-eye" approach to disputes amongst humans - logic says, let go. It's past us. Emotions and life long suffering of a lost child says I want revenge. Justice system also prevents escalations from other avenues - like societal violence since "Justice was not served". You really don't want to live in a society where people take up arms for retribution. It's arguable whether it prevents others from committing similar crimes - I don't think it makes much difference if its 15 years or 30 years to make a drunk person avoid driving. Also keep in mind, the cost-benefit of the Justice system is highly dependent on the socio-economic conditions of the city or neighborhood. Living in Geneva vs. Guadalajahara, you're going to get different answers.
  - stickfigure 6y ago
    Hmmm. What if instead of drunk driving, the accident that killed your kids involved distracted driving? Say, driver was texting? Eating a hamburger? What if the driver was just driving 10mph over the speed limit? 15mph? What if the driver fell asleep at the wheel? What if the driver was driving on bald tires and a blowout precipitated the accident? What if they were only 95% worn out? 80%? ----- There are different levels of culpability. Drunk driving is negligent and bad, but I hope we can all agree it is not as bad as willful murder. Five years in jail is an incredibly severe punishment already - that's a quarter of this kid's life to that point. I don't buy the revenge angle. We can expect more from people.
  - watwut 6y ago
    Are you talking about sentiments families of victims usually express or sentiments you think they should have?
jjk166 6y ago
So if you jaywalk and a bus goes off a cliff, you should automatically get multiple life sentences? If you drive drunk and no one gets hurt should you not face any charges? What if you attempt to shoot someone and miss? We have control over our decisions but not the consequences of our decisions. Punishments should fit the crime, which is fundamentally different from the result. Choosing to drive drunk is the same mistake whether it hurts no one or hurts many.

aaomidi 6y ago

And what does this accomplish?

systemvoltage 6y ago
For one, it would provide justice to those who suffered. You can argue an "eye-for-an-eye" approach to disputes amongst humans - logic says, let go. It's past us. Emotions and life long suffering of a lost child says I want revenge. Justice system also prevents escalations from other avenues - like societal violence since "Justice was not served". You really don't want to live in a society where people take up arms for retribution. It's arguable whether it prevents others from committing similar crimes - I don't think it makes much difference if its 15 years or 30 years to make a drunk person avoid driving. Also keep in mind, the cost-benefit of the Justice system is highly dependent on the socio-economic conditions of the city or neighborhood. Living in Geneva vs. Guadalajahara, you're going to get different answers.
- stickfigure 6y ago
  Hmmm. What if instead of drunk driving, the accident that killed your kids involved distracted driving? Say, driver was texting? Eating a hamburger? What if the driver was just driving 10mph over the speed limit? 15mph? What if the driver fell asleep at the wheel? What if the driver was driving on bald tires and a blowout precipitated the accident? What if they were only 95% worn out? 80%? ----- There are different levels of culpability. Drunk driving is negligent and bad, but I hope we can all agree it is not as bad as willful murder. Five years in jail is an incredibly severe punishment already - that's a quarter of this kid's life to that point. I don't buy the revenge angle. We can expect more from people.
- watwut 6y ago
  Are you talking about sentiments families of victims usually express or sentiments you think they should have?

jjk166 6y ago

So if you jaywalk and a bus goes off a cliff, you should automatically get multiple life sentences? If you drive drunk and no one gets hurt should you not face any charges? What if you attempt to shoot someone and miss? We have control over our decisions but not the consequences of our decisions. Punishments should fit the crime, which is fundamentally different from the result. Choosing to drive drunk is the same mistake whether it hurts no one or hurts many.