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Who the fuck cares? As a daughter of one of these useless degenerates, I'm more concerned about people who have so little regard toward human life that they'd

by astura 6y ago

Who the fuck cares? As a daughter of one of these useless degenerates, I'm more concerned about people who have so little regard toward human life that they'd casually endanger others for little to no reason than those who deliberately plot to kill someone else for personal gain. Of course, there's overlap in those two groups too...

sebmellen 6y ago
I'm sorry you had a drunken parent. I commiserate and I have close relatives/friends who have grown up in such households, some who are people like that themselves. I share sympathy for your viewpoint, but I don't agree with it (and neither do most court systems). But I do respect your difference of opinion.
- astura 6y ago
  Ehhh... Wat? True, my parent was/is drunken my entire life, with a month or two of sobriety spliced in here and there. That doesn't mean that alcohol somehow magically caused him to be a useless degenerate who has no regard for human life. From what I hear my dad's biggest unexcusable behavior in life came before the alcoholism. His flashes of sobriety that I witnessed growing up didn't magically reveal a good person. Using alcoholism to excuse any behavior is just wrong, imo. My mom readily used it to justify why my dad beat her and us. That's not okay. Assholes need to be hold accountable and their actions should not be explained away.
  - sebmellen 6y ago
    In this case, it seems quite clear that this man is not a "useless degenerate" in the absence of alcohol — in fact he is doing productive, intelligent work. I believe it is quite apparent that alcohol/ism was the key factor in his terrible decisions. Without alcohol, he isn't behaving like a useless degenerate. Therefore, we can quite comfortably say that alcohol is an explanation, if not an excuse, for his behaviour.
    - kaesar14 6y ago
      Does the distinction matter when he chose to drink and drive?Plenty of people choose to not drink and plenty of people choose to drink and not get behind the wheel of the car - seems like his degenerate behavior is pretty ingrained

by astura 6y ago

sebmellen 6y ago

I'm sorry you had a drunken parent. I commiserate and I have close relatives/friends who have grown up in such households, some who are people like that themselves. I share sympathy for your viewpoint, but I don't agree with it (and neither do most court systems). But I do respect your difference of opinion.

astura 6y ago
Ehhh... Wat? True, my parent was/is drunken my entire life, with a month or two of sobriety spliced in here and there. That doesn't mean that alcohol somehow magically caused him to be a useless degenerate who has no regard for human life. From what I hear my dad's biggest unexcusable behavior in life came before the alcoholism. His flashes of sobriety that I witnessed growing up didn't magically reveal a good person. Using alcoholism to excuse any behavior is just wrong, imo. My mom readily used it to justify why my dad beat her and us. That's not okay. Assholes need to be hold accountable and their actions should not be explained away.
- sebmellen 6y ago
  In this case, it seems quite clear that this man is not a "useless degenerate" in the absence of alcohol — in fact he is doing productive, intelligent work. I believe it is quite apparent that alcohol/ism was the key factor in his terrible decisions. Without alcohol, he isn't behaving like a useless degenerate. Therefore, we can quite comfortably say that alcohol is an explanation, if not an excuse, for his behaviour.
  - kaesar14 6y ago
    Does the distinction matter when he chose to drink and drive?Plenty of people choose to not drink and plenty of people choose to drink and not get behind the wheel of the car - seems like his degenerate behavior is pretty ingrained