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That's precisely the problem, the guy didn't give a shit about anyone around him. Someone who kills someone over a sum of money, OK, that's understandable, but

That's precisely the problem, the guy didn't give a shit about anyone around him. Someone who kills someone over a sum of money, OK, that's understandable, but a drunk driver who doesn't give a shit about the hundreds of road users he encounters on the way home, I don't get that. Skaphismos is too good for them.

sebmellen 6y ago
I don't know if you're being facetious with your Skaphismos comment — if you are I think we'll have a hard time finding any common ground. We could argue about the details of the crime, but I think your view of punishment is draconian and absurd. For those who don't know what Skaphismos is, I've translated this from the German Wikipedia: > In scaphism, the victim was ... enclosed in a prepared, clamshell container, except for the head, hands, and feet, and force-fed inside; according to the accounts, death resulted from infection, tissue destruction due to insect feeding, or physical emaciation (thirst, starvation) and blood loss and/or poisoning from insect bites. [0] [0]: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphismus https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphismus
- HarryHirsch 6y ago
  No, the draconian and graphic punishment is intentional - how do you even reason with someone who prizes his own desires above the lives of all others he encounters? This kind needs to be removed from society, expeditiously. I am a chemist and we take safety extremely seriously - if we didn't property damage and casualties would be a regular occurrence. It's immaterial if you are reckless or clueless, what matters is that you are a danger to everyone else around. Nature doesn't care about your intent.
  - sebmellen 6y ago
    If you believe "this kind" needs to be removed from society expeditiously, the best option is rehabilitation and treatment. Otherwise, we'll have to kill 14.4 million people in the US alone [0]. There are many treatments that work [1][2][3]. [0]: https://www.verywellmind.com/prevalence-of-alcoholism-in-the-united-states-67876 https://www.verywellmind.com/prevalence-of-alcoholism-in-the... [1]: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/social-instincts/201905/can-psychedelic-experiences-cure-alcohol-addiction https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/social-instincts/201... [2]: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/think-well/201007/does-alcoholics-anonymous-work-because-its-form-cognitive-behavioral-therapy https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/think-well/201007/do... [3]: https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/treatment-alcohol-problems-finding-and-getting-help https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sh...
    - HarryHirsch 6y ago
      An alcoholic may not have the choice not to drink, but they can choose not to drive while under the influence. We are talking about drunk driving, not alcoholism.
      - rtyujkx 6y ago
        I agree with everything you've said. It's a sorry state of affairs just how many people here are brushing off drunk driving as an unserious offense.
      - Teever 6y ago
        Just to clarify things, your position is that all drunk drivers or only those who kill people while driving drunk should face torture more severe than skaphismos? And if given the opportunity how many of these people would you be willing to torture?

sebmellen 6y ago

I don't know if you're being facetious with your Skaphismos comment — if you are I think we'll have a hard time finding any common ground. We could argue about the details of the crime, but I think your view of punishment is draconian and absurd. For those who don't know what Skaphismos is, I've translated this from the German Wikipedia: > In scaphism, the victim was ... enclosed in a prepared, clamshell container, except for the head, hands, and feet, and force-fed inside; according to the accounts, death resulted from infection, tissue destruction due to insect feeding, or physical emaciation (thirst, starvation) and blood loss and/or poisoning from insect bites. [0] [0]: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphismus https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphismus

HarryHirsch 6y ago
No, the draconian and graphic punishment is intentional - how do you even reason with someone who prizes his own desires above the lives of all others he encounters? This kind needs to be removed from society, expeditiously. I am a chemist and we take safety extremely seriously - if we didn't property damage and casualties would be a regular occurrence. It's immaterial if you are reckless or clueless, what matters is that you are a danger to everyone else around. Nature doesn't care about your intent.
- sebmellen 6y ago
  If you believe "this kind" needs to be removed from society expeditiously, the best option is rehabilitation and treatment. Otherwise, we'll have to kill 14.4 million people in the US alone [0]. There are many treatments that work [1][2][3]. [0]: https://www.verywellmind.com/prevalence-of-alcoholism-in-the-united-states-67876 https://www.verywellmind.com/prevalence-of-alcoholism-in-the... [1]: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/social-instincts/201905/can-psychedelic-experiences-cure-alcohol-addiction https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/social-instincts/201... [2]: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/think-well/201007/does-alcoholics-anonymous-work-because-its-form-cognitive-behavioral-therapy https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/think-well/201007/do... [3]: https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/treatment-alcohol-problems-finding-and-getting-help https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sh...
  - HarryHirsch 6y ago
    An alcoholic may not have the choice not to drink, but they can choose not to drive while under the influence. We are talking about drunk driving, not alcoholism.
    - rtyujkx 6y ago
      I agree with everything you've said. It's a sorry state of affairs just how many people here are brushing off drunk driving as an unserious offense.
    - Teever 6y ago
      Just to clarify things, your position is that all drunk drivers or only those who kill people while driving drunk should face torture more severe than skaphismos? And if given the opportunity how many of these people would you be willing to torture?