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jojobas 6y ago
There's no decent or indecent wine. Nobody can tell a $500 wine from $10 wine in a blind tasting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_wine_tasting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_wine_tasting
- zizee 6y ago
  There is definitely good wine and not so good wine, if you define "good" as something you like. I could believe that there is a tenuous link between price and quality, but that's not the same as saying there is no good wine.
  - jojobas 6y ago
    Have a friend hold a blind tasting for you. Did that to a couple of headstrong wine people, they were unable to tell their favorite (chardonnay for one and shiraz for another) from a bunch of AUD7 bottles.
    - rblatz 6y ago
      My wife and I accidentally did an experiment the other day. Grabbed a random bottle we got as a gift to drink with our pizza. It was a cab sauv which is a wine we usually don’t care for. We both were surprised at how much we did like it and how smooth it was. The next day we were shopping at target and saw it was an $85 bottle of wine. Not sure if we could have told it from a $40 bottle, but it certainly stood head and shoulders above the $20 bottles we typically buy.
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    - al3xandre 6y ago
      There can be such a wide range of different wines within « chardonnay » and « Shiraz » that saying one of the two is you « favorite wine » is meaningless. Hence the outcome of this blind testing.
- peteretep 6y ago
  You are making a much stronger assertion than is supported by your link
  - jojobas 6y ago
    >...the objective evaluation of large numbers of wines as currently attempted at wine competitions is, he asserts, "beyond human ability". Wine experts also can't tell if they're tasting 3 glasses from the same bottle. I don't mean to say you can't stuff up a batch of wine, but basically everything that made it to the store in the current state of quality control is good enough to not be told apart by anyone.
    - peteretep 6y ago
      > Wine experts also can't tell if they're tasting 3 glasses from the same bottle. No. It is possible to select three different wines that even people with excellent palettes can't really differentiate between, and it is possible with some suggestion to make people believe the same wine is different wines. It is also true that some wine "experts" have terrible palettes. That is not the same piece of information as "wine experts also can't tell if they're tasting 3 glasses from the same bottle".
      - jojobas 6y ago
        I'm referring to this paper quote in the wikipedia article: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-wine-economics/article/abs/an-examination-of-judge-reliability-at-a-major-us-wine-competition/15EF999FBAC63C5FB6DCF1C2F4BB6655 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-wine-econ... They literally fed the same judges the same wine in multiple glasses and got different scores.
    - zaphirplane 6y ago
      I took that to mean the high volume in competition affects the consistency of the results
- esoterica 6y ago
  Nothing in the link you posted supports your assertion.
- al3xandre 6y ago
  95% of people are also unable to tell the difference between a secure properly e2e encrypted chat, and an insecure chat. Does that mean that there is no insecure and secure chat softwares?
  - acct776 6y ago
    Yeah, alcohol quality shows itself off the next morning when waking up not in pain, for me.
  - nojster 6y ago
    With e2e vs insecure, there is an objective differentiating factor, while in wine (apart from price, there apparently isn’t). To leverage your example, it would be like selling “secure e2e chat” (label) at a high price, although it uses insecure tech.
  - jonny_eh 6y ago
    If people claimed that e2e encrypted chats were more enjoyable, you may have had a point.

jojobas 6y ago

There's no decent or indecent wine. Nobody can tell a $500 wine from $10 wine in a blind tasting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_wine_tasting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_wine_tasting

zizee 6y ago
There is definitely good wine and not so good wine, if you define "good" as something you like. I could believe that there is a tenuous link between price and quality, but that's not the same as saying there is no good wine.
- jojobas 6y ago
  Have a friend hold a blind tasting for you. Did that to a couple of headstrong wine people, they were unable to tell their favorite (chardonnay for one and shiraz for another) from a bunch of AUD7 bottles.
  - rblatz 6y ago
    My wife and I accidentally did an experiment the other day. Grabbed a random bottle we got as a gift to drink with our pizza. It was a cab sauv which is a wine we usually don’t care for. We both were surprised at how much we did like it and how smooth it was. The next day we were shopping at target and saw it was an $85 bottle of wine. Not sure if we could have told it from a $40 bottle, but it certainly stood head and shoulders above the $20 bottles we typically buy.
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  - al3xandre 6y ago
    There can be such a wide range of different wines within « chardonnay » and « Shiraz » that saying one of the two is you « favorite wine » is meaningless. Hence the outcome of this blind testing.
peteretep 6y ago
You are making a much stronger assertion than is supported by your link
- jojobas 6y ago
  >...the objective evaluation of large numbers of wines as currently attempted at wine competitions is, he asserts, "beyond human ability". Wine experts also can't tell if they're tasting 3 glasses from the same bottle. I don't mean to say you can't stuff up a batch of wine, but basically everything that made it to the store in the current state of quality control is good enough to not be told apart by anyone.
  - peteretep 6y ago
    > Wine experts also can't tell if they're tasting 3 glasses from the same bottle. No. It is possible to select three different wines that even people with excellent palettes can't really differentiate between, and it is possible with some suggestion to make people believe the same wine is different wines. It is also true that some wine "experts" have terrible palettes. That is not the same piece of information as "wine experts also can't tell if they're tasting 3 glasses from the same bottle".
    - jojobas 6y ago
      I'm referring to this paper quote in the wikipedia article: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-wine-economics/article/abs/an-examination-of-judge-reliability-at-a-major-us-wine-competition/15EF999FBAC63C5FB6DCF1C2F4BB6655 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-wine-econ... They literally fed the same judges the same wine in multiple glasses and got different scores.
  - zaphirplane 6y ago
    I took that to mean the high volume in competition affects the consistency of the results
esoterica 6y ago
Nothing in the link you posted supports your assertion.
al3xandre 6y ago
95% of people are also unable to tell the difference between a secure properly e2e encrypted chat, and an insecure chat. Does that mean that there is no insecure and secure chat softwares?
- acct776 6y ago
  Yeah, alcohol quality shows itself off the next morning when waking up not in pain, for me.
- nojster 6y ago
  With e2e vs insecure, there is an objective differentiating factor, while in wine (apart from price, there apparently isn’t). To leverage your example, it would be like selling “secure e2e chat” (label) at a high price, although it uses insecure tech.
- jonny_eh 6y ago
  If people claimed that e2e encrypted chats were more enjoyable, you may have had a point.