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I wouldn't call it racist. You are genuinely an oddity if you're not japanese and not a tourist. Racism is a deeper thing. True racism exists in some form betw

I wouldn't call it racist. You are genuinely an oddity if you're not japanese and not a tourist. Racism is a deeper thing. True racism exists in some form between the chinese and the japanese due to the horrific atrocities committed by the japanese in the rape of nanking.

nullsense 6y ago
>I wouldn't call it racist. I would. Sure, in most cases people don't actively dislike you when compared with some Japanese people that spew vitriol and really have it out for Koreans or Chinese, but you still get treated differently and often not in a good way. I've met many, many people over the years, myself included, who wound up developing a love/hate relationship with Japan because of the racism.
- Geminidog 6y ago
  I wouldn't call it racism because this behavior isn't unique to japan... it's unique to humanity. It will happen everywhere where you look and drastically different from anything the local population has ever seen before. Only certain places have a unique culture where such treatment is deliberately frowned upon culturally. We are from the west so equality seems normal but it is not the default. If you decide to live in Asia, expect the default, it's not actually racist; it's normal. Generally you just don't like being treated as a foreigner. But that's actually what you are. Don't expect to travel to another place and have them treat you as a local.
  - nullsense 6y ago
    I know that it's the default. Doesn't make it not racism. It's not only racism when it happens in desirable countries people want to immigrate to en-masse. Functionally it's the same thing. They just turn a blind eye because "hey it's normal, right?". It has been an ongoing shift over decades and even hundreds of years in the so-called melting pots of the world to get to the point people can live alongside people different than them and at least pretend they're equal and should be treated as such. It wasn't always the default in the West. The rest of the world needs to catch up. They're behind the times.
    - Geminidog 6y ago
      >The rest of the world needs to catch up. They're behind the times. It's not about the times. It's about biology, people are born with this type of behavior that is as biologically ingrained as heterosexuality or homosexuality. Humans tend to group with each other based off of race. This occurs everywhere including with Japanese and Chinese people born in the US. If you ever grew up in a community of people where there was a large enough mixture of Caucasians and minorities you will see that races group together automatically little incentive from others even though everyone more or less shares the same culture of being born in the same country. You can't expect culture to override biology. What you see in the west is the unique phenomenon and everywhere else is basically displaying the biological norm. Because of biology this phenomenon is unlikely to establish itself as the norm for the majority of human existence. You cannot overwrite biology. If you go to another country and your face stands out like a sore thumb expect to be treated differently everywhere because of nature, don't expect everyone to come to their senses and implement total equality. The best you can hope for is equal treatment under the law, but the law is an ideal that is a caricature of the actual reality. If you have a two foot long nose, you will be treated differently in every country you go to, no amount of equality in the law can fix this. I can cite tons of evidence for the biological origins of this "racist" behavior if that's the direction we want to take this. Either way I don't agree to even attack minor "infractions" or call it racism because it can't ever be fixed. What can be fixed is deep racial hatreds and actual racial tensions. White people enslaving black people then segregating them and shooting them under the cover a "crime" is a real issue. White people forcing and enslaving chinese people to build rail roads is actual racism, Hitler killing Jews is racism. Other things are unfix-able and minor and therefore I wouldn't group it with the atrocities committed above. Not to mention when a white guy goes to an Asian country they often actually can get "better" treatment along with the "bad" treatment just because of the privilege associated with the caucasian race. It's often one of the reasons why white people go live in another Asian country because Asian girls are "easier" and more "beautiful." No doubt if you lived in Asia it's likely you've taken advantage of this "reverse" racism. By all means take advantage of it, I see nothing wrong with it, but don't expect total equality, we all know it's not going to happen if we're all perfectly honest with ourselves... especially if you're already taking advantage of the inequalities that benefit you.
  - yowlingcat 6y ago
    > If you decide to live in Asia, expect the default, it's not actually racist; it's normal. I find that for a lot of folks raised in the West, the existence of this norm is a very rude wake-up call. But to your point, that doesn't stop it from being a norm in the first place in Asia. And it doesn't mean that it's necessarily "on the way out" either.

nullsense 6y ago

>I wouldn't call it racist. I would. Sure, in most cases people don't actively dislike you when compared with some Japanese people that spew vitriol and really have it out for Koreans or Chinese, but you still get treated differently and often not in a good way. I've met many, many people over the years, myself included, who wound up developing a love/hate relationship with Japan because of the racism.

Geminidog 6y ago
I wouldn't call it racism because this behavior isn't unique to japan... it's unique to humanity. It will happen everywhere where you look and drastically different from anything the local population has ever seen before. Only certain places have a unique culture where such treatment is deliberately frowned upon culturally. We are from the west so equality seems normal but it is not the default. If you decide to live in Asia, expect the default, it's not actually racist; it's normal. Generally you just don't like being treated as a foreigner. But that's actually what you are. Don't expect to travel to another place and have them treat you as a local.
- nullsense 6y ago
  I know that it's the default. Doesn't make it not racism. It's not only racism when it happens in desirable countries people want to immigrate to en-masse. Functionally it's the same thing. They just turn a blind eye because "hey it's normal, right?". It has been an ongoing shift over decades and even hundreds of years in the so-called melting pots of the world to get to the point people can live alongside people different than them and at least pretend they're equal and should be treated as such. It wasn't always the default in the West. The rest of the world needs to catch up. They're behind the times.
  - Geminidog 6y ago
    >The rest of the world needs to catch up. They're behind the times. It's not about the times. It's about biology, people are born with this type of behavior that is as biologically ingrained as heterosexuality or homosexuality. Humans tend to group with each other based off of race. This occurs everywhere including with Japanese and Chinese people born in the US. If you ever grew up in a community of people where there was a large enough mixture of Caucasians and minorities you will see that races group together automatically little incentive from others even though everyone more or less shares the same culture of being born in the same country. You can't expect culture to override biology. What you see in the west is the unique phenomenon and everywhere else is basically displaying the biological norm. Because of biology this phenomenon is unlikely to establish itself as the norm for the majority of human existence. You cannot overwrite biology. If you go to another country and your face stands out like a sore thumb expect to be treated differently everywhere because of nature, don't expect everyone to come to their senses and implement total equality. The best you can hope for is equal treatment under the law, but the law is an ideal that is a caricature of the actual reality. If you have a two foot long nose, you will be treated differently in every country you go to, no amount of equality in the law can fix this. I can cite tons of evidence for the biological origins of this "racist" behavior if that's the direction we want to take this. Either way I don't agree to even attack minor "infractions" or call it racism because it can't ever be fixed. What can be fixed is deep racial hatreds and actual racial tensions. White people enslaving black people then segregating them and shooting them under the cover a "crime" is a real issue. White people forcing and enslaving chinese people to build rail roads is actual racism, Hitler killing Jews is racism. Other things are unfix-able and minor and therefore I wouldn't group it with the atrocities committed above. Not to mention when a white guy goes to an Asian country they often actually can get "better" treatment along with the "bad" treatment just because of the privilege associated with the caucasian race. It's often one of the reasons why white people go live in another Asian country because Asian girls are "easier" and more "beautiful." No doubt if you lived in Asia it's likely you've taken advantage of this "reverse" racism. By all means take advantage of it, I see nothing wrong with it, but don't expect total equality, we all know it's not going to happen if we're all perfectly honest with ourselves... especially if you're already taking advantage of the inequalities that benefit you.
- yowlingcat 6y ago
  > If you decide to live in Asia, expect the default, it's not actually racist; it's normal. I find that for a lot of folks raised in the West, the existence of this norm is a very rude wake-up call. But to your point, that doesn't stop it from being a norm in the first place in Asia. And it doesn't mean that it's necessarily "on the way out" either.