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To some those words have a hurtful meaning. You may consider them irrational, but they would consider you irrational.

Mediterraneo10 6y ago
I question the amount of people who find "master" in computing truly hurtful. The activist demographic pushing to change the terminology is exceedingly small, and I simply don’t see much authentic pressure from the masses behind it, unlike in the case of other terms that are now eschewed. Also, once one is aware of etymology as a science, changing "master" in this context does seem irrational: in very many languages the general word for "mister, sir" and the word used for "master to a slave" are identical, and are we to change all these terms of address, too?
VoodooJuJu 6y ago
I really like Mental Outlaw's take on this push against "offensive" language and toward "inclusive" language: https://youtu.be/tx2v0Y9Ci7I https://youtu.be/tx2v0Y9Ci7I
eplanit 6y ago
Maybe they're too fragile.
loceng 6y ago
That's an emotional reaction and not grounded in logic because they're not differentiating the contexts. Differentiation, boundaries and context with words and language, is something then they need to learn - and if you coddle them, they're not going to learn that - so you're actually doing a disservice to them and society. If a child is having a temper tantrum because you won't let them taste the bleach, you don't give in to let them taste the bleach. And re: they will consider my response irrational - I just explained it with logic, and there is truth and logic - you don't fold to that behaviour just because someone's emotional maturity is underdeveloped or blocked - likely from coddling and adults in their life not being integral to hold boundaries for certain types of thinking/behaviour; this has lead to what's considered a neoliberal group - the same extreme exists on the conservative side as well, though it manifests differently.

I question the amount of people who find "master" in computing truly hurtful. The activist demographic pushing to change the terminology is exceedingly small, and I simply don’t see much authentic pressure from the masses behind it, unlike in the case of other terms that are now eschewed. Also, once one is aware of etymology as a science, changing "master" in this context does seem irrational: in very many languages the general word for "mister, sir" and the word used for "master to a slave" are identical, and are we to change all these terms of address, too?

VoodooJuJu 6y ago

I really like Mental Outlaw's take on this push against "offensive" language and toward "inclusive" language: https://youtu.be/tx2v0Y9Ci7I https://youtu.be/tx2v0Y9Ci7I

eplanit 6y ago

Maybe they're too fragile.

loceng 6y ago

That's an emotional reaction and not grounded in logic because they're not differentiating the contexts. Differentiation, boundaries and context with words and language, is something then they need to learn - and if you coddle them, they're not going to learn that - so you're actually doing a disservice to them and society. If a child is having a temper tantrum because you won't let them taste the bleach, you don't give in to let them taste the bleach. And re: they will consider my response irrational - I just explained it with logic, and there is truth and logic - you don't fold to that behaviour just because someone's emotional maturity is underdeveloped or blocked - likely from coddling and adults in their life not being integral to hold boundaries for certain types of thinking/behaviour; this has lead to what's considered a neoliberal group - the same extreme exists on the conservative side as well, though it manifests differently.