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> why even bother with expensive devs? Because you get what you pay for. I am yet to hear of any cases where in the long run outsourcing development to a low-w

> why even bother with expensive devs? Because you get what you pay for. I am yet to hear of any cases where in the long run outsourcing development to a low-wage country actually saved money. Competent engineers generally follow the money and emigrate. Why earn $10k a year in India when you could earn $100k in the USA?

thekyle 6y ago
What if $10k in India gets you the same lifestyle as $100k in the U.S.?
- konjin 6y ago
  It doesn't.
- kamaal 6y ago
  Speaking as someone who has stayed in both countries. Even $1 million in India won't buy you the same lifestyle as $0 in the US. Just the clean air, water, nutritious food and cleanliness are good enough reasons to get a US passport. The other things come extra.
joelbluminator 6y ago
Only it's more like 150K in the expensive parts of the U.S, which is 2x the compensation in Europe. So you're saying an average German team can't handle the complexity of an ad targeting or deliveries startup?
ntsplnkv2 6y ago
This is not going to be true forever. The idea that devs in india can never be good as devs in the USA is so absurdly arrogant I don't know what to say. I'm sure mechanics thought the same, engineers thought "no way the japs can make better cars" yea we saw how that went.
- toomanybeersies 6y ago
  The problem isn't that Indian developers aren't as good as Western developers, it's that competent engineers tend to emigrate to wealthier countries. Approx 15,000 Indian-born IT professionals migrate to Australia each year [1], and there are around 300,000 Indian H1B visa holders (of any profession) in the USA [2]. I don't see this changing any time soon. [1] https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/research-and-statistics/statistics/country-profiles/profiles/india https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/research-and-statistics/stati... [2] https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/visa-and-immigration/three-fourths-of-h1b-visa-holders-in-2018-are-indians-us-report/articleshow/66289772.cms https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/visa-and-immigratio...
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    You're looking at it wrong. The supply is rapidly increasing. it doesn't matter that they move. Eventually there will be competition for jobs and prices will go down - because virtual work means the entire world is a job market.

thekyle 6y ago

What if $10k in India gets you the same lifestyle as $100k in the U.S.?

konjin 6y ago
It doesn't.
kamaal 6y ago
Speaking as someone who has stayed in both countries. Even $1 million in India won't buy you the same lifestyle as $0 in the US. Just the clean air, water, nutritious food and cleanliness are good enough reasons to get a US passport. The other things come extra.

joelbluminator 6y ago

Only it's more like 150K in the expensive parts of the U.S, which is 2x the compensation in Europe. So you're saying an average German team can't handle the complexity of an ad targeting or deliveries startup?

ntsplnkv2 6y ago

This is not going to be true forever. The idea that devs in india can never be good as devs in the USA is so absurdly arrogant I don't know what to say. I'm sure mechanics thought the same, engineers thought "no way the japs can make better cars" yea we saw how that went.

toomanybeersies 6y ago
The problem isn't that Indian developers aren't as good as Western developers, it's that competent engineers tend to emigrate to wealthier countries. Approx 15,000 Indian-born IT professionals migrate to Australia each year [1], and there are around 300,000 Indian H1B visa holders (of any profession) in the USA [2]. I don't see this changing any time soon. [1] https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/research-and-statistics/statistics/country-profiles/profiles/india https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/research-and-statistics/stati... [2] https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/visa-and-immigration/three-fourths-of-h1b-visa-holders-in-2018-are-indians-us-report/articleshow/66289772.cms https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/visa-and-immigratio...
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  You're looking at it wrong. The supply is rapidly increasing. it doesn't matter that they move. Eventually there will be competition for jobs and prices will go down - because virtual work means the entire world is a job market.