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>Java isn't that terrible of a language. That is going to evolve in the next six years to "languages don't usually matter much except in specific domains in a

>Java isn't that terrible of a language. That is going to evolve in the next six years to "languages don't usually matter much except in specific domains in a few cases"

bawolff 6y ago
? That seems like a rather silly prediction. There is enough code written in java that even if people stopped writing new java this instance, it would still matter across a broad field of domains for more than the next 6 years. There is a world outside of what languages are trendy on hn right now.
sk5t 6y ago
Except when you care about the ecosystem, build tools, willingness of the rest of the team to maintain the codebase, etc.--so the language usually matters even if you're not religiously dedicated to one in particular.
naikrovek 6y ago
I'm not sure about that. As an industry, we're just beginning to realize that object orientation is hurting far more than it's helping. As more people realize this, better tools and techniques will be devised to help developers think of their programs more like computers do: as data, and not as objects which only make sense to some humans. As such, PURE OOP languages like Java are going to start to fall out of favor in the industry for all workloads. Academia won't let go of OOP until much later.
- potta_coffee 6y ago
  I hope Java and .NET fall into disuse, I've never enjoyed programming less. I'm not a fool, I recognize that some great software can be created with those tools, but it just feels so much more painful to work with. It must be my taste.
valenterry 6y ago
If this were true, it would make no difference if one uses assembly or Java or use a magnetic needle to swap bits. But it's clear to everyone that it makes a big difference. If someone says "language doesn't matter" it usually means they suffer from the blub paradoxon.

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>Java isn't that terrible of a language. That is going to evolve in the next six years to "languages don't usually matter much except in specific domains in a

by gameswithgo 6y ago

>Java isn't that terrible of a language. That is going to evolve in the next six years to "languages don't usually matter much except in specific domains in a few cases"

bawolff 6y ago
? That seems like a rather silly prediction. There is enough code written in java that even if people stopped writing new java this instance, it would still matter across a broad field of domains for more than the next 6 years. There is a world outside of what languages are trendy on hn right now.
sk5t 6y ago
Except when you care about the ecosystem, build tools, willingness of the rest of the team to maintain the codebase, etc.--so the language usually matters even if you're not religiously dedicated to one in particular.
naikrovek 6y ago
I'm not sure about that. As an industry, we're just beginning to realize that object orientation is hurting far more than it's helping. As more people realize this, better tools and techniques will be devised to help developers think of their programs more like computers do: as data, and not as objects which only make sense to some humans. As such, PURE OOP languages like Java are going to start to fall out of favor in the industry for all workloads. Academia won't let go of OOP until much later.
- potta_coffee 6y ago
  I hope Java and .NET fall into disuse, I've never enjoyed programming less. I'm not a fool, I recognize that some great software can be created with those tools, but it just feels so much more painful to work with. It must be my taste.
valenterry 6y ago
If this were true, it would make no difference if one uses assembly or Java or use a magnetic needle to swap bits. But it's clear to everyone that it makes a big difference. If someone says "language doesn't matter" it usually means they suffer from the blub paradoxon.