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Is anyone possibly surprised by this?

neartheplain 6y ago
Unfortunately, yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_at_Every_Size https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_at_Every_Size
cosmodisk 6y ago
Probably not,but more often than not, there's a bizzare trend to normalise it. Fat becomes plus size, Obese becomes big bones and etc. I've gone bananas with my weight and to be honest it's pretty scary how normalised it is. Nobody really tells you that you are fat and it's time to drop some.
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- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  No there is a movement to increase tolerance so fat people aren't treated like pariahs which is perfectly legitimate pursuit. What is the societal value of acting like a fat person is less valuable than you are? Like it or not it is pretty normal in the USA and a lot of western countries and people need to learn to be tolerant rather than feeling superior because they're at a healthier weight. It can hurt a person as much as racism, ageism, or any number of other improper and unfounded isms.
- aaomidi 6y ago
  > Nobody really tells you that you are fat and it's time to drop some. Literally everyone does. I don't know what world you live in. If you're obese its the ONLY thing you hear your doctor say. This has caused hundreds of missed diagnosis for serious issues because it's just "lose some weight". Thanks. I'm trying. It's not working. And now you've missed an issue that's going to end up being life threatening for me.
  - selestify 6y ago
    Your doctor counts as "literally everyone"? I've never heard anyone comment on anyone else's weight. It's just a taboo in my part of America.
    - aaomidi 6y ago
      No. I mean literally everyone. You say you're feeling bad on a normal conversation and people immediately link it to your weight. This taboo doesn't exist. People keep saying it does. But, as an obese person, it absolutely doesn't.
      - selestify 6y ago
        > You say you're feeling bad on a normal conversation and people immediately link it to your weight. I've never seen that happen. It sucks that it happens to you, though. We must live in really different social circles.
    - Barrin92 6y ago
      > It's just a taboo in my part of America. in literal face-to-face conversation probably. But beauty ideals are communicated to you on every bill board. In the US probably more so than in many other countries. Why do you think there's a billion dollars weight loss market? If obesity was actually normalised, there'd probably more obese news anchors.
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    > If you're obese its the ONLY thing you hear your doctor say. Yea because it will kill you early. Do you want your doctor not to talk about your health problems?
    - aaomidi 6y ago
      "This has caused hundreds of missed diagnosis for serious issues because it's just "lose some weight"." Are you missing this? Not everything is related to weight. Again this is what I mean about being dismissive about other health issues when someone is obese.
chrisseaton 6y ago
The Army Sergeant Major of the British Army is 'overweight', for example. The idea that he's unhealthy is an absolute joke. He's done an interview about this.
- switchbak 6y ago
  The BMI is radically oversimplified. I don't think any professional is surprised that well built athletic people fall outside the target audience for that metric. It really is just a ratio of weight to height, after all. Of course that's going to have its limitations.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    So why are we criticising 'overweight' people if we know it's a broken metric?
    - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
      It's confusing but let's be honest, we aren't talking about really fit body builders with muscle. We're talking about people with excess fat. Body fat % is a better metric, but you don't really need that if you're a doctor and can tell your patient has too much of it and the scale says so too.
    - brongondwana 6y ago
      For the same reason that people use Newtonian physics even though we all know it's a simplification which doesn't apply exactly to all situations. BMI is also obviously not going to work the same for an amputee, but it's an OK heuristic for most people.

Unfortunately, yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_at_Every_Size https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_at_Every_Size

cosmodisk 6y ago

Probably not,but more often than not, there's a bizzare trend to normalise it. Fat becomes plus size, Obese becomes big bones and etc. I've gone bananas with my weight and to be honest it's pretty scary how normalised it is. Nobody really tells you that you are fat and it's time to drop some.

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stjohnswarts 6y ago
No there is a movement to increase tolerance so fat people aren't treated like pariahs which is perfectly legitimate pursuit. What is the societal value of acting like a fat person is less valuable than you are? Like it or not it is pretty normal in the USA and a lot of western countries and people need to learn to be tolerant rather than feeling superior because they're at a healthier weight. It can hurt a person as much as racism, ageism, or any number of other improper and unfounded isms.
aaomidi 6y ago
> Nobody really tells you that you are fat and it's time to drop some. Literally everyone does. I don't know what world you live in. If you're obese its the ONLY thing you hear your doctor say. This has caused hundreds of missed diagnosis for serious issues because it's just "lose some weight". Thanks. I'm trying. It's not working. And now you've missed an issue that's going to end up being life threatening for me.
- selestify 6y ago
  Your doctor counts as "literally everyone"? I've never heard anyone comment on anyone else's weight. It's just a taboo in my part of America.
  - aaomidi 6y ago
    No. I mean literally everyone. You say you're feeling bad on a normal conversation and people immediately link it to your weight. This taboo doesn't exist. People keep saying it does. But, as an obese person, it absolutely doesn't.
    - selestify 6y ago
      > You say you're feeling bad on a normal conversation and people immediately link it to your weight. I've never seen that happen. It sucks that it happens to you, though. We must live in really different social circles.
  - Barrin92 6y ago
    > It's just a taboo in my part of America. in literal face-to-face conversation probably. But beauty ideals are communicated to you on every bill board. In the US probably more so than in many other countries. Why do you think there's a billion dollars weight loss market? If obesity was actually normalised, there'd probably more obese news anchors.
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  > If you're obese its the ONLY thing you hear your doctor say. Yea because it will kill you early. Do you want your doctor not to talk about your health problems?
  - aaomidi 6y ago
    "This has caused hundreds of missed diagnosis for serious issues because it's just "lose some weight"." Are you missing this? Not everything is related to weight. Again this is what I mean about being dismissive about other health issues when someone is obese.

chrisseaton 6y ago

The Army Sergeant Major of the British Army is 'overweight', for example. The idea that he's unhealthy is an absolute joke. He's done an interview about this.

switchbak 6y ago
The BMI is radically oversimplified. I don't think any professional is surprised that well built athletic people fall outside the target audience for that metric. It really is just a ratio of weight to height, after all. Of course that's going to have its limitations.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  So why are we criticising 'overweight' people if we know it's a broken metric?
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    It's confusing but let's be honest, we aren't talking about really fit body builders with muscle. We're talking about people with excess fat. Body fat % is a better metric, but you don't really need that if you're a doctor and can tell your patient has too much of it and the scale says so too.
  - brongondwana 6y ago
    For the same reason that people use Newtonian physics even though we all know it's a simplification which doesn't apply exactly to all situations. BMI is also obviously not going to work the same for an amputee, but it's an OK heuristic for most people.